Re: Proposed Policy for Modifications to Trust Legal Provisions (TLP)

2009-08-17 Thread Joel M. Halpern
I would agree with Brian, but phrase it differently. The Trust Legal Provisions document specifies exactly how the trust, and people acting based on the trust, are doing things. There are (at least) two kinds of changes that can occur. 1) There can be changes in policy, particularly policy as

Re: Proposed Policy for Modifications to Trust Legal Provisions (TLP)

2009-08-17 Thread Brian E Carpenter
I agree with the proposed policy, except that I propose calling it just "Procedure". It isn't policy, it's just common sense about how to implement policy. On 2009-08-18 07:57, Simon Josefsson wrote: ... > This is another reason why the current approach of getting IETF > consensus on an RFC and pu

Re: Proposed Policy for Modifications to Trust Legal Provisions (TLP)

2009-08-17 Thread Tadayuki Abraham HATTORI
Dear experts, Generally, the idea of "provision" includes a kind of "bad debt allowance" in accounting. How about expanding the idea of "Trust Legal Provision"? Gathering statistically of mathematical probability of how setting for bad debt allowance could be a kind of measurement of ability o

Re: Proposed Policy for Modifications to Trust Legal Provisions (TLP)

2009-08-17 Thread Russ Housley
SM: Does the IETF Trust want to stand in as a replacement for the old IPR WG? Certainly not. The changes that people might suggest to the TLP should be much less grand. Russ. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/list

Re: Proposed Policy for Modifications to Trust Legal Provisions (TLP)

2009-08-17 Thread SM
Hi Marshall, I'll take this opportunity to say that I was pleasantly surprised to hear that the IETF Trust implemented a IETF Trust Records Retention and Management Policy over two years ago. At 08:02 17-08-2009, Marshall Eubanks wrote: Comments sought for: Standard Procedure for Modifying

Re: Proposed Policy for Modifications to Trust Legal Provisions (TLP)

2009-08-17 Thread Simon Josefsson
Marc Blanchet writes: > Marshall Eubanks a écrit : >> >> On Aug 17, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Marc Blanchet wrote: >> >>> Marshall Eubanks a écrit : Emergencies. An emergency is defined as "there is a problem with the TLP that is likely to be abused". In these cases, the trust can >>

Re: Proposed Policy for Modifications to Trust Legal Provisions (TLP)

2009-08-17 Thread Marc Blanchet
Marshall Eubanks a écrit : > > On Aug 17, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Marc Blanchet wrote: > >> Marshall Eubanks a écrit : >>> >>> Emergencies. An emergency is defined as "there is a problem with the >>> TLP that is likely to be abused". In these cases, the trust can >>> publish >>> a modified text fo

Re: Proposed Policy for Modifications to Trust Legal Provisions (TLP)

2009-08-17 Thread Marc Blanchet
Marshall Eubanks a écrit : > > Emergencies. An emergency is defined as "there is a problem with the > TLP that is likely to be abused". In these cases, the trust can publish > a modified text for a 2 week review period, then modify the TLP. The > Trust must explain the reason for the chan

Re: AD review of draft-zorn-radius-pkmv1-04.txt

2009-08-17 Thread Alan DeKok
Glen Zorn wrote: > Alan DeKok wrote: > ... It would have been preferable ... > To which I reply: > > So it seems that what you _really_ meant was "... well, screw 'em." I think there is a miscommunication here. Alan DeKok. ___ Ietf mailing list

Re: AD review of draft-zorn-radius-pkmv1-04.txt

2009-08-17 Thread Alan DeKok
Glen Zorn wrote: > But none of the Attributes mentioned in Appendix B have anything to do with > RADIUS security as I understand it. Can you explain? From the document: Appendix B includes a listing of complex attributes used within [RFC2865], [RFC2868], [RFC2869], [RFC3162], [RFC4818

Re: Proposed Policy for Modifications to Trust Legal Provisions (TLP)

2009-08-17 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Dear Simon; Some quick responses just for myself only. On Aug 17, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Simon Josefsson wrote: Marshall Eubanks writes: Comments sought for: Standard Procedure for Modifying the TLP Is this a solution looking for a problem? RFC 5377 is an example of where the IETF asks the

Re: Proposed Policy for Modifications to Trust Legal Provisions (TLP)

2009-08-17 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Aug 17, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Marc Blanchet wrote: Marshall Eubanks a écrit : Emergencies. An emergency is defined as "there is a problem with the TLP that is likely to be abused". In these cases, the trust can publish a modified text for a 2 week review period, then modify the TLP.

Re: Proposed Policy for Modifications to Trust Legal Provisions (TLP)

2009-08-17 Thread Simon Josefsson
Marshall Eubanks writes: > Comments sought for: Standard Procedure for Modifying the TLP Is this a solution looking for a problem? RFC 5377 is an example of where the IETF asks the Trust do something. What is wrong with using the same approach in the future? The approach would be that someon

Re: Proposed Policy for Modifications to Trust Legal Provisions (TLP)

2009-08-17 Thread Stephan Wenger
Hi Marshall, all, This is a good proposal. Would it be possible to enhance the review periods (steps 5 and 6) from 30/14 days to something like 60/30 days, respectively? Many people will need to go through corporate counsel on matters like this, which can be time consuming. 30 days is a quite t

Proposed Policy for Modifications to Trust Legal Provisions (TLP)

2009-08-17 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Greetings; During the last review of the Trust Legal Provisions (TLP), it became clear that there is no clear procedure for modifying the TLP. The current TLP only states that a new version may be published for community review but not who can ask for a change, where announcements are sent, wh

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-vcarddav-webdav-mkcol-05

2009-08-17 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Hi, Julian, I agree with your point here (on how RFC 2119 works). I thought the document would be clearer with 2119 language here, but it should not be included if you aren't comfortable using it. Thanks, Spencer Spencer Dawkins wrote: ... 3. WebDAV extended MKCOL The WebDAV MKCOL re

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-vcarddav-webdav-mkcol-05

2009-08-17 Thread Julian Reschke
Spencer Dawkins wrote: ... 3. WebDAV extended MKCOL The WebDAV MKCOL request is extended to allow the inclusion of a request body. The request body is an XML document containing a single DAV:mkcol XML element as the root element. The Content-Type Spencer (minor): if I'm reading this pa

Re: secdir review of draft-ietf-netconf-partial-lock-09.txt

2009-08-17 Thread Tom.Petch
Stephen As Dan and Bert think and believe, I guess #1. My experience with other technologies is that where enterprise systems are involved, then authorisation is likely to be powerful and comprehensive (and proprietary) but where network and operators are involved, then this is not so. Tom Petch