Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-sasl-scram-07

2009-10-05 Thread Alexey Melnikov
Hi Ben, Thank you for your comments. Responding to most of them below (I will respond to the rest in a separate message). On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:22 AM, Ben Campbell b...@estacado.net wrote: I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer for this draft (for background

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-sasl-scram-07

2009-10-05 Thread Alexey Melnikov
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:22 AM, Ben Campbell b...@estacado.net wrote: [...] Minor issues: [...] -- section 4, first paragraph: ...as long as this alternative name doesn’t conflict with any other hash function name from the IANA Hash Function Textual Names registry. What prevents future

RE: Followup on Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-mext-binding-revocation (was Re: Gen-ART LC and Telechat Review of draft-ietf-mext-binding-revocation-10)

2009-10-05 Thread Ahmad Muhanna
Thank you Ben for reviewing and taking the time to go through the document once more! Agreed; Sorry, I missed that one. I will make sure it is included in the next revision. I am sure you are okay not to spin another revision unless this is the only outstanding comment. Thanks again! Regards,

Followup on Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-mext-binding-revocation (was Re: Gen-ART LC and Telechat Review of draft-ietf-mext-binding-revocation-10)

2009-10-05 Thread Ben Campbell
Hi, This is a followup of my Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-mext-binding- revocation, updated based on revision 13 of that draft. This revision addresses all of my substantive issues, and most of the editorial issues. I had one outstanding minor editorial comment where the author proposed a

Re: [Gen-art] Followup on Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-mext-binding-revocation (was Re: Gen-ART LC and Telechat Review of draft-ietf-mext-binding-revocation-10)

2009-10-05 Thread Ben Campbell
On Oct 2, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Ahmad Muhanna wrote: Thank you Ben for reviewing and taking the time to go through the document once more! Agreed; Sorry, I missed that one. I will make sure it is included in the next revision. I am sure you are okay not to spin another revision unless this is

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-sasl-scram-07

2009-10-05 Thread Ben Campbell
Hi Alexey, Your responses in this and your other email address all of my comments. Thanks! Ben. On Oct 2, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:22 AM, Ben Campbell b...@estacado.net wrote: [...] Minor issues: [...] -- section 4, first paragraph: ...as long

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-requirements (Requirements for OAMin MPLS Transport Networks) to Proposed Standard

2009-10-05 Thread Sadler, Jonathan B.
To the IETF area directors, MPLS and PWE3 working group chairs, document authors and IETF community, I've recently started looking at the MPLS-TP drafts and only this past week have had an opportunity to review the OAM requirements draft for MPLS-TP. I realize the IESG has requested Last Call

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-sasl-scram-07

2009-10-05 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 06:14:47PM +0100, Alexey Melnikov wrote: On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:22 AM, Ben Campbell b...@estacado.net wrote: I'm no crypto expert, so please forgive me if this is silly--but isn't there a movement to phase out sha-1? If so, should that be the default must

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-sasl-scram-07

2009-10-05 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 08:22:25PM -0500, Ben Campbell wrote: -- 2nd paragraph: ...increase the iteration count over time. Can you elaborate on how this helps, and possibly offer guidance on how implementations should use it? Good point. With SCRAM as specified, a server cannot increase

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-sasl-scram-07

2009-10-05 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 01:17:26PM -0500, Nicolas Williams wrote: On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 06:14:47PM +0100, Alexey Melnikov wrote: On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:22 AM, Ben Campbell b...@estacado.net wrote: I'm no crypto expert, so please forgive me if this is silly--but isn't there a

RE: [mpls] Last Call: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-requirements (Requirementsfor OAM in MPLS Transport Networks) to Proposed Standard

2009-10-05 Thread Rui Costa
SDH and EoSDH networks are widely used by Portugal Telecom Comunicacoes (PTC) and TMN (respectively the incumbent operator in Portugal and PT group's mobile operator), as well as foreign PT's clients (Brazilian Vivo, for instance). These operators are used to both SDH and Ethernet's OAM

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-requirements (Requirements for OAMin MPLS Transport Networks) to Proposed Standard

2009-10-05 Thread Stewart Bryant
Sadler, Jonathan B. wrote: ITU-T SG15 has a history of OAM protocol development for transport technologies. This expertise has led to development of an OAM methodology and definition approach as documented in G.806. Jonathan Unfortunately the latest version of G.806 is showing up as

Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Cullen Jennings
I have done a little digging around on the questions I asked and thought I might summarize some of the responses I got back to my email. More inline Note all the comments below do not refer to the Special Administrative Regions. I strongly support Ted's suggestion that running the

Re: [IAOC] Request for community guidance on issue concerning afuture meeting of the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Sep 24, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Ole Jacobsen (ole) wrote: Does your above response mean that the host would not consider slides and oral presentations made during working group sessions to be part of the Group's activities, visual or audio presentations at the conference? Or does your

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning afuture meeting of the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Cullen Jennings
+1 to Adrian's suggestion. I'd love to hear from people who live in the PRC about any of the legal questions I have raised. Using specific previous IETF discussions seems a fine way to look at it in a very concrete way. So far I have heard in private from more than one person that is not

Re: [IAOC] Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Ole Jacobsen
Cullen, I will only answer #5 here, since I am not a lawyer (the rest will have to wait for now): Most organizations, including the IETF, asks for ISO-3166 codes on the registration form. Not all those codes are necessarily countries by some other countries' definition, or even by the

Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Dave CROCKER
Cullen Jennings wrote: I have done a little digging around on the questions I asked and thought I might summarize some of the responses I got back to my email. More inline Note all the comments below do not refer to the Special Administrative Regions. I strongly support Ted's

Re: [IAOC] Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Ole Jacobsen
And just to be 100% clear: Holding the meeting in Hong Kong is not an option for the current discussion. There is neither a host nor a venue available there for the time period in question. It is entirely possible, I will even go so far as to say probable, that we indeed WILL meet in Hong

Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, October 05, 2009 10:45 -0700 Dave CROCKER d...@dcrocker.net wrote: Cullen Jennings wrote: I have done a little digging around on the questions I asked and thought I might summarize some of the responses I got back to my email. More inline Note all the comments below

Re: Update on IETF 76 ANA Hotel Availability

2009-10-05 Thread Ben Campbell
Hi Alexa, How should one go about expressing to the hotel that they preferred non-smoking but were unable to get it? I assume they need some lead time for this, so mentioning it at arrival time might be too late. Thanks! Ben. On Oct 1, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Alexa Morris wrote: There are

Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:53 AM, John C Klensin wrote: Cullen, For purposes of discussion, one comment below and one addition to your list... --On Monday, October 05, 2009 11:07 -0600 Cullen Jennings flu...@cisco.com wrote: I have done a little digging around on the questions I asked and

Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Dave CROCKER
John C Klensin wrote: Dave, I disagree, at least slightly, The last paragraph of my note covered agendas like yours: If the goal of your effort is to review and change IAOC responsibilities or procedures for site selection and event management, then that ought to be pursued

Re: [IAB] Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, October 05, 2009 12:30 -0600 Cullen Jennings flu...@cisco.com wrote: ... Another piece of this question is whether PGP (or CACert) key-signing activities, with signed private keys being taken out of the country afterwards, would violate any law or require a license. I had

Re: [IAOC] Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Theodore Tso
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 10:42:44AM -0700, Ole Jacobsen wrote: I will only answer #5 here, since I am not a lawyer (the rest will have to wait for now): I would hope the IAOC would see fit get formal legal advice on the various issues which Cullen has raised before green-lighting an IETF

Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: At its base, your exercise seems to be an effort at doing the IAOC's job for it. It's their job to research venue details and make choices and to ensure the logistics for productive IETF meetings. The IETF as a body is not likely to

Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Dave CROCKER
Cullen Jennings wrote: Well it sounds like we both agree that it is the IAOC job to make sure they have answers to the questions I am raising before making a decision. We are seeing a solid pattern to suggest that U.S. reading skills have declined seriously. I neither expressed nor

Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Oct 5, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: Cullen Jennings wrote: Well it sounds like we both agree that it is the IAOC job to make sure they have answers to the questions I am raising before making a decision. We are seeing a solid pattern to suggest that U.S. reading skills

The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-05 Thread Richard Shockey
The general internet community needs to be aware of activities in North America that directly relate to the use of IETF protocols in the Electric Utility industry. This activity is generally referred to as the SmartGrid. Though the issues immediately deal with technical and policy decisions in

Re: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-05 Thread Fred Baker
Thanks. You already know this, as does Russ Housley, but I'll say it out loud for others to hear. At the third NIST workshop on the Smart Grid, which was the week following the IETF meeting, several IETFers were invited by David Su of NIST to a workshop on the role of the Internet

Re: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-05 Thread Michael Dillon
Myself and others are deeply concerned by how this effort is developing. There is no current consensus on what the communications architecture of the SmartGrid is or how IP actually fits into it. The Utility Industry does not understand the current IPv4 number exhaust problem and the

RE: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-05 Thread Richard Shockey
It will certainly get their attention ... :-) -Original Message- From: Michael Dillon [mailto:wavetos...@googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:54 PM To: Richard Shockey Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: The IETF and the SmartGrid Myself and others are deeply

Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Cullen Jennings wrote: On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: At its base, your exercise seems to be an effort at doing the IAOC's job for it. It's their job to research venue details and make choices and to ensure the logistics for productive IETF meetings.

Re: [IAOC] Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Oct 5, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Cullen Jennings wrote: On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: At its base, your exercise seems to be an effort at doing the IAOC's job for it. It's their job to research venue details and make choices and

Re: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-05 Thread Hiroshi Esaki
Hi Fred and Michael, This is Hiroshi Esaki of WIDE project, Japan. We have long time worked on the introduction of IP technology into the faculity networks, especially focusing on the usage of IPv6. We run the Green University of Tokyo Project. We have some professional operation using IPv6 on

RE: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-05 Thread Richard Shockey
Thank you for your response. Is there any documentation URL's etc ( hopefully in English ) that you could share? -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hiroshi Esaki Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:39 PM To: Michael Dillon;

Re: The IETF and the SmartGrid

2009-10-05 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2009-10-06 10:20, Richard Shockey wrote: ... The Utility Industry does not understand the current IPv4 number exhaust problem and the consequences of that if they want to put a IP address on every Utility Meter in North America. Ironic, really, since IP addresses for every streetlight was

Re: Local Beijing people response - RE: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meeting of the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Dean Willis
On Oct 2, 2009, at 12:27 PM, John C Klensin wrote: ... Perhaps the latter suggests a way for the IAOC to think about this. Assume that, however unlikely it is, the meeting were called off mid-way and that every IETF participant who attended sued the IASA to recover the costs of leaving China

Last Call: draft-altman-tls-channel-bindings (Channel Bindings for TLS) to Proposed Standard

2009-10-05 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Channel Bindings for TLS ' draft-altman-tls-channel-bindings-07.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action.