Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-05 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Mans Nilsson writes: But we are not running out of proposals for codecs to adapt. Both CELT and SILK seem reasonable. Speaking for me as a user, MP3 and AAC are at least worthy of consideration. Someone said on this list that they waste bandwidth, but VoIP's main problem for me as a user is

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-05 Thread SM
At 06:08 04-01-2010, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones ' draft-jabley-reverse-servers-01.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-05 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
At 00:50 05/01/2010, John R. Levine wrote: For the sink.arpa, it would be good to explain why we want this name to exist. We *don't* want the name to exist; that's the point of the draft. I presume that's what you meant? It would still be nice to put in an explanation of the motivation for

Re: reserved names draft, was Defining the existence of non-existent domains

2010-01-05 Thread Jorge Amodio
On the table at 2.1.4 you need to add LATNIC that seems to be also reserved by ICANN, not sure why they missed it on the DAG but it's on every single Registry Agreement. For 2.2.4, I believe all the names listed in 2.1.4 are also reserved for second level domains and you are still missing a place

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-05 Thread John R. Levine
Yeah. As far as I know, it is quite uncommon for applications to hard code treatment of .INVALID. But you seem to be saying that they do, and that causes problems that SINK.ARPA would solve. Tell us what they are. There is one case where knowledge and special handling of the name may cause

Re: reserved names draft, was Defining the existence of non-existent domains

2010-01-05 Thread John R. Levine
These are reasonable things to add, but I'm waiting to see if there's agreement that it's worth moving forward. On the table at 2.1.4 you need to add LATNIC that seems to be also reserved by ICANN, not sure why they missed it on the DAG but it's on every single Registry Agreement. You're

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-05 Thread Joe Abley
Hi, On 2010-01-05, at 03:34, SM wrote: Is what is proposed in this draft a matter of interest to the DNS Operations Working Group? If so, the document could have been brought to the attention of the relevant working group before the Last Call. That doesn't preclude the draft from being

Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-05 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Catering to the backwards compatibility needs of qam v.34bis doesn't seem like a terribly high priority application for a wideband voice codec... Your user agent can just use g.711 for that application. Richard Shockey wrote: Just as an amusing side bar to the discussion ..you all know that any

Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-05 Thread Brian West
I think CELT and SILK are both great codecs.. I was under the impression that SILK ran at 32kHz and did internal resampling but that doesn't appear to be the case. Either way we have six sample rates to pick from between the two codecs giving you bandwidth vs quality options that really do fit

Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-05 Thread Brian West
Is the source and spec for the SPIRIT codec out there? I would be interested in trying this out in FreeSWITCH... I'm a codec whore... if you haven't noticed. :P /b On Jan 4, 2010, at 4:29 PM, Jean-Marc Valin wrote: The one you misses is SPIRIT's IP-MR codec. As you say, with the four

Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-05 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
I can see the motivation to pay big bucks for video codecs. Using Mpeg4 can reduce your bandwidth costs and save real money. I can see why there was a big incentive to save money on audio codecs in the 1990s. At this point an audio codec is going to have to save a huge amount ot bandwidth to be

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-05 Thread Phil Pennock
On 2010-01-04 at 06:08 -0800, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones ' draft-jabley-reverse-servers-01.txt as a Proposed Standard First an editorial nit, there's an

Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-05 Thread Jean-Marc Valin
Brian West wrote: I think CELT and SILK are both great codecs.. I was under the impression that SILK ran at 32kHz and did internal resampling but that doesn't appear to be the case. Either way we have six sample rates to pick from between the two codecs giving you bandwidth vs quality options

RE: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-05 Thread Roni Even
Hi, I do not think that the IETF should accept any work because people want to do it, if this is the case a group of people can come and ask to start working on any idea they have that has some relation to the Internet. IETF should accept work that is in scope for of the IETF and for which there

RE: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-05 Thread Richard Shockey
I can see the motivation to pay big bucks for video codecs. Using Mpeg4 can reduce your bandwidth costs and save real money. I can see why there was a big incentive to save money on audio codecs in the 1990s. At this point an audio codec is going to have to save a huge amount ot

Re: reserved names draft, was Defining the existence of non-existent domains

2010-01-05 Thread SM
At 05:39 05-01-2010, Jorge Amodio wrote: On the table at 2.1.4 you need to add LATNIC that seems to be also reserved by ICANN, not sure why they missed it on the DAG but it's on every single Registry Agreement. PSO might also have to be added then. According to information published by IANA,

Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-05 Thread Dean Willis
On Jan 5, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Richard Shockey wrote: At this point an audio codec is going to have to save a huge amount ot bandwidth to be worth the hassle, let alone the cost of using encumbered technology. Its not about the bandwidth. Its about the quality of the voice in occasionally

RE: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-05 Thread Bernard Aboba
Roni Even said: I do not think that the IETF should accept any work because people want to do it, if this is the case a group of people can come and ask to start working on any idea they have that has some relation to the Internet. IETF should accept work that is in scope for of the IETF and

Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-05 Thread Sam Hartman
Roni == Roni Even ron.even@gmail.com writes: Roni Hi, I do not think that the IETF should accept any work Roni because people want to do it, if this is the case a group of Roni people can come and ask to start working on any idea they have Roni that has some relation to the

Fwd: Need volunteer for continued support of xml2rfc

2010-01-05 Thread Russ Housley
Marshall Rose has lead the development effort for xml2rfc for many years. Many thanks to him and the other folks that have offered their help as well. As you can see from the message below, Marshall is ready to pass the reigns to another volunteer. If another volunterr is not found, then

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-05 Thread Sam Hartman
Olafur == Olafur Gudmundsson o...@ogud.com writes: Olafur There is one case where knowledge and special handling of Olafur the name may cause problems: DNS Liers i.e. specialized Olafur DNS resolvers that make all non-existing name exist that do Olafur not generate lie for

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-05 Thread SM
Hi Joe, At 08:00 05-01-2010, Joe Abley wrote: We think the re-delegation of IN-ADDR.ARPA and IP6.ARPA is of great interest to dnsop and other operational forums outside the IETF, and as I mentioned yesterday the redelegation I apologize for the working group question. I forgot that the draft

Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-05 Thread Bernard Aboba
+1 On 5 Jan 2010 Patrik Falstrom wrote: I agree with this. On 4 jan 2010, at 23.40, Sam Hartman wrote: I've been thinking about the codec issue for a while. I think it is really desirable for the IETF to charter this group. I don't think the charter should prohibit the working

Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 1/4/10 5:39 PM, Brian West wrote: Is the source and spec for the SPIRIT codec out there? http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-spiritdsp-ipmr-00 /psa smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org

Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 1/5/10 11:10 AM, Roni Even wrote: Hi, I do not think that the IETF should accept any work because people want to do it, if this is the case a group of people can come and ask to start working on any idea they have that has some relation to the Internet. IETF should accept work that is in

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-01-05, at 16:55, SM wrote: The diversity of operators has some advantages, i.e. not sharing fate. The Introduction Section of this draft mentions that The choice of operators for individual nameservers is beyond the scope of this document. I don't know whether a change of