Re: [Fecframe] Last Call: draft-ietf-fecframe-dvb-al-fec (DVB-IPTVApplication-Layer Hybrid FEC Protection) to Informational RFC

2010-01-07 Thread Colin Perkins
Thanks. The updated draft looks good. Colin On 14 Dec 2009, at 20:55, Ali C. Begen (abegen) wrote: Sounds like a good suggestion. We will make the text change after the LC ends. Thanks. -acbegen -Original Message- From: fecframe-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:fecframe-boun...@ietf.org]

Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-07 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Ben, I appreciate the potential difficulty of guaranteeing the unencumbered status of any output of this group. However, I would like this statement to be stronger, saying that this group will only produce a new codec if it is strongly believed by WG rough consensus to either be unencumber

Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-07 Thread Andrew G. Malis
As I've said before, there is a high cost to service providers every time a new codec is introduced operationally, at the very least in the form of full-mesh transcoding. Thus, new codecs should not be developed lightly. The world already has enough encumbered codecs, and there's no point in addin

Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-07 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Andrew G. Malis wrote: > I appreciate the potential difficulty of guaranteeing the unencumbered > status of any output of this group. However, I would like this statement to > be stronger, saying that this group will only produce a new codec if it is > strongly believed by WG rough consensus to eit

Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-07 Thread Russ Housley
Andy: Although this preference cannot guarantee that the working group will produce an unencumbered codec, the working group shall attempt to adhere to the spirit of BCP 79. This preference does not explicitly rule out the possibility of adapting encumbered technologies; such decisions will be

Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-07 Thread Jean-Marc Valin
Quoting Stephen Casner : > In the past, particularly when I was co-chair of AVT, there was > significant pressure from IETF leadership against IETF (and AVT in > particular) standarizing codecs out of concern that to do so would > step on ITU toes. We made a carefully considered exception for iLBC

Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-07 Thread Cullen Jennings
Before the IESG sent the proposed CODEC charter out for community review, we received some concerns about this proposed charter. I had hoped these would be discussed during the WG charter review. I'm raising these issues now to make sure that the IESG has an opportunity to hear from the whole

Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-07 Thread Andrew G. Malis
Russ, Yes, that's better, thanks. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > Andy: > > Does the following text strike a better balance? > >  Although this preference cannot guarantee that the working >  group will produce an unencumbered codec, the working group shall >

Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-07 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 1/7/10 9:46 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > Andy: > >>> Although this preference cannot guarantee that the working >>> group will produce an unencumbered codec, the working group shall >>> attempt to adhere to the spirit of BCP 79. This preference does not >>> explicitly rule out the possibility of

Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-07 Thread Stephan Wenger
Hi, Russ' language is an improvement. But let's not forget that there are encumbrances that have nothing to do with paying royalties, but are equally problematic from an adoption viewpoint. Examples: 1. Co-marketing requirement: need to put a logo of the rightholder company on one's products ac

Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-07 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Peter" == Peter Saint-Andre writes: Peter> On 1/7/10 9:46 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >> Andy: >> Although this preference cannot guarantee that the working group will produce an unencumbered codec, the working group shall attempt to adhere to the spirit

Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-07 Thread Stephan Wenger
Let me suggest to substitute "Making it easy to redistribute" with "Making it easy to redistribute and use". Shareware and Trialware are often freely redistributable, but not necessarily free to use in a monetary sense. The mechanisms that make Trial/Shareware not freely usable are often partly o

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2010-01-07 Thread Thomas Narten
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Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-07 Thread Mans Nilsson
Subject: Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec) Date: Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 11:16:10AM +0100 Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no): > Mans Nilsson writes: >> But we are not running out of proposals for codecs to adapt. Both CELT >> and SILK seem reasonable. > > Speaki