Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On Mar 30, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Robert Kisteleki wrote: On 2010.03.30. 11:41, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: I'll prepare information about all of this as soon as I know the transition status during the IETF week. And in any event, there are no early booking / online booking discounts for Dutch t

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

>I think they have changed that now, and my latest debit card came >with a notice that it can be used PIN-free for purchases under 10 pounds. >This uses the RFID in the card and only works at retailers like >Caffe Nero, who have installed the RFID readers. Adding to the confusion, although there a

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

> I have never seen a credit card purchase with PIN. In the UK, all credit card purchases use a PIN with Chip-and-PIN cards except when their network link is down or your card is registered as signature-only. Some elderly and disabled people have the signature-only option, and foreigners too, of c

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

I live in Germany, and I had ordered all the Credit cards (Master and Visa) which I used during 1994-2008 explicitly _without_ PIN -- because I did _NOT_ want them to be usable to draw cash from an ATM, only for signature based transactions. Going into a bank and obtaining cash with card, picture-

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

Hi, Ole, I'm still having coherency problems after IETF 77 - sorry. What I was wondering wasn't why there is an attendees list (I remember the "where is the nearest Apple store" discussions that resulted in current practice). What I'm wondering is why we continue to set up 76attendees, 77att

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

Spencer, This practice was started because the main IETF list got flooded with messages like "where is the nearest Apple store?" once we were onsite and this annoyed the folks who weren't actually at the meeting. Having it (opt-in) on a per-meeting basis makes sense to me, if we create the list

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

I'm not sure I understand what problem we're solving by setting up IETF meeting-specific mailing lists each time. It's not like most of the attendees at IETF 77 weren't at at least one meeting in the previous year, and if there is a population on earth that we should expect to be able to unsubs

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

This is only true for EUROPEAN issued credit cards (some of which have chips and some which don't). You can get a PIN for your US credit card, but it will NOT work for credit card purchases, only as your PIN for cash advances (like an ATM card). There is no PIN required when using US-based car

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On 30.03.10 20:13, John Levine wrote: When you pay with _credit_card_ to Dutch railway ticket machines you will be asked to enter PIN code ... European credit cards have an embedded chip that does a crypto handshake using your PIN with the bank to validate the transaction. This process is

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

>When you pay with _credit_card_ to Dutch railway ticket machines you >will be asked to enter PIN code ... European credit cards have an embedded chip that does a crypto handshake using your PIN with the bank to validate the transaction. This process is known in English as chip+pin and is conside

Re: T-shirts?

Simon Josefsson writes: Mark Atwood writes: Their quality is not that great, and they want too big of a cut. Is the alternative -- i.e., no t-shirt and no revenue for IETF -- better? That would be like publishing -00 drafts that suffer from lots of idnits: Simply unthinktable. Arnt _

Re: T-shirts?

Mark Atwood writes: > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Lars Eggert wrote: > >> On 2010-3-27, at 13:41, Ray Pelletier wrote: >> > We have been working with an online vendor to allow t-shirts and other >> > paraphernalia (coffee mugs, ball caps, etc) >> > to be purchased. The "rock concert" desi

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Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: The chipkaart costs 7,50 euros but the train trip between Schiphol and Maastricht is 5,85 euros cheaper with the chipkaart than with a paper ticket so you still come out ahead. You can get one from the ticket machines I believe but it probably

Re: T-shirts?

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Lars Eggert wrote: > On 2010-3-27, at 13:41, Ray Pelletier wrote: > > We have been working with an online vendor to allow t-shirts and other > > paraphernalia (coffee mugs, ball caps, etc) > > to be purchased. The "rock concert" design has been a particular > >

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On 30 mrt 2010, at 15:39, Basil Dolmatov wrote: > "OV-chipkaart" logo is already seen on some ticket machines, so I would be > glad to get an advice where and how these "chipkaarts" can be bought and > where it can be used except for train tickets purchase. (Plural of "chipkaart" is "chipkaarte

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On 2010-03-30, at 09:49, Theodore Tso wrote: > I'd recommend telling your bank and your credit card issuers that you are > planning on traveling to The Netherlands at least a week or two in advance. I'd recommend that someone creates the 78-attendees list right now, so that all this list traff

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

"OV-chipkaart" logo is already seen on some ticket machines, so I would be glad to get an advice where and how these "chipkaarts" can be bought and where it can be used except for train tickets purchase. Have a look at . Maybe the iet...@sidn.nl c

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

I'd recommend telling your bank and your credit card issuers that you are planning on traveling to The Netherlands at least a week or two in advance. My ATM card and two of my credit cards had a policy last year of declining all charges from that country due to large amounts of ATM/credit card

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:37:17AM +, Michael Dillon wrote: > Not sure if this applies to Americans, but when I lived in Canada, I > had a 5 or 6 digit pin > code I don't know about other banks, but I used to have a 6 digit PIN with the Royal Bank of Canada. They made me change it a couple ye

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

Ole Jacobsen пишет: The PIN codes issued by US banks are for cash advances only, they are NOT the "required" PIN code that European credit cards use and won't work if you try to use them for a regular credit card payment. US cards do not (in general) require a PIN code for credit card payments

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

Again, for US cards, these PIN codes apply to either ATM cards or for credit card cash advances (using your credit card as an [expensive] ATM card). Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o..

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

The PIN codes issued by US banks are for cash advances only, they are NOT the "required" PIN code that European credit cards use and won't work if you try to use them for a regular credit card payment. US cards do not (in general) require a PIN code for credit card payments. Ole Ole J. Jacobse

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

> That reminds me: if you intend to use a credit card in electronic contexts > (such as buying train tickets at a machine, etc.), you should make sure you > know your PIN code. On the way home from Anaheim I helped some guy who had > some problems because he wasn't even aware that his card had a PI

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On 2010.03.30. 11:41, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: I'll prepare information about all of this as soon as I know the transition status during the IETF week. And in any event, there are no early booking / online booking discounts for Dutch train tickets, and buying online with Dutch Railways require

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On 30 mrt 2010, at 10:15, Marco Davids (Prive) wrote: > http://www.ietf78.nl/. Ok, one thing: I strongly recommend AGAINST purchasing any _Dutch_ train tickets before you travel. (This does not apply to international train tickets!) The Nethelands is currently making a transition from paper tic

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

Dear folks, Please be advised that a special IETF 78 host website is available that already contains quite some information and practicalities: http://www.ietf78.nl/. More information will be added as it becomes available. If you are missing specific things, or have any other concerns, please d

Re: T-shirts?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > personally, I think that should be in the weave, not the print... > > On Mar 27, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Christian Huitema wrote: > >> Can we make sure that the shirts are ASCII only? > > http://www.ipi

Re: T-shirts?

That seems appropriate given that computers trace their history back to the Jacquard Loom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquard_loom Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com U