Re: Pointing to IANA registries

2010-04-22 Thread Julian Reschke
On 22.04.2010 00:46, Martin Rex wrote: Julian Reschke wrote: I was recently pointed at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5226#section-4.2: All such URLs, however, will be removed from the RFC prior to final

Re: Pointing to IANA registries

2010-04-22 Thread Yoav Nir
On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:46 AM, Martin Rex wrote: It might be worse than that, actually. When RFC-5746 was recently published, the URL from an extremely useful informative reference apparently got stripped by the RFC Editor: draft -03: [Ray09]Ray, M., Authentication Gap in TLS

Re: Pointing to IANA registries

2010-04-22 Thread Julian Reschke
On 22.04.2010 07:59, Yoav Nir wrote: When RFC-5746 was recently published, the URL from an extremely useful informative reference apparently got stripped by the RFC Editor: draft -03: [Ray09]Ray, M., Authentication Gap in TLS Renegotiation, November

Re: Pointing to IANA registries

2010-04-22 Thread Julian Reschke
On 22.04.2010 06:42, Mark Nottingham wrote: For the issues around formats, have you considered using content negotiation? http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2616.html#sec-12.1 +1 WRT XHTML, it's a candidate for deprecation for a different reason; the W3C is moving away from XHTML as part

Re: Pointing to IANA registries

2010-04-22 Thread Mark Nottingham
I'll defer to Julian on matters of HTML; he's braver than I ;) On 22/04/2010, at 5:01 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: On 22.04.2010 06:42, Mark Nottingham wrote: For the issues around formats, have you considered using content negotiation? http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2616.html#sec-12.1

Re: Pointing to IANA registries

2010-04-22 Thread Julian Reschke
On 21.04.2010 23:06, Kim Davies wrote: Hi all, A few comments from the perspective of IANA staff maintaining the website infrastructure: Appreciated! ... c) To my mind, a central question is not the preservation of the URI, but what is the expectation of preserving the format of the

Re: Pointing to IANA registries

2010-04-22 Thread Olaf Kolkman
[Replying to Mark, only because he inspired to make the remark] On Apr 19, 2010, at 5:21 AM, Mark Nottingham wrote: Couldn't IANA just implement the search format as http://www.iana.org/assignments/Registry-Name and cut out the middle man? Regarding the 20 year argument, it seems to

Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-avt-register-srtp-02

2010-04-22 Thread Enrico Marocco
Document: draft-ietf-avt-register-srtp-02 Reviewer: Enrico Marocco Review Date: 2010-04-22 IESG Telechat date: 2010-04-22 Summary: This draft is basically ready for publication as a Proposed Standard. I found a minor nit that would be fixed by the Editor anyway. Note: The main issue with this

Re: Pointing to IANA registries

2010-04-22 Thread Simon Josefsson
Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de writes: On 22.04.2010 07:59, Yoav Nir wrote: When RFC-5746 was recently published, the URL from an extremely useful informative reference apparently got stripped by the RFC Editor: draft -03: [Ray09]Ray, M., Authentication Gap in TLS

Re: Pointing to IANA registries

2010-04-22 Thread Mark Nottingham
That's a GREAT document and it makes me feel much better; thanks! A bit of feedback: * Section 2.1: The registry operator maintains public mailing lists as specified in IANA Considerations -- is this always true? Many of the lists are @ietf.org; do they operate these as well? * Section 3:

Re: Pointing to IANA registries

2010-04-22 Thread Julian Reschke
On 22.04.2010 11:32, Simon Josefsson wrote: Julian Reschkejulian.resc...@gmx.de writes: ... It is easy to fail to catch a change like that, even if you are an author. ... I have learned the hard way to repeat all RFC Editor edits in my copy of the draft, and only to approve publication when

Re: another document categorization suggestion

2010-04-22 Thread Spencer Dawkins
For what it's worth, there was (Once Upon A Time) a working group called TCPIMPL (TCP Implementation), that published an don't do it like this RFC (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2525.txt), that didn't call out vendor X, but DID provide traces from implementations that violated the spec, and

Re: another document categorization suggestion

2010-04-22 Thread todd glassey
On 4/22/2010 3:35 AM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: For what it's worth, there was (Once Upon A Time) a working group called TCPIMPL (TCP Implementation), that published an don't do it like this RFC (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2525.txt), that didn't call out vendor X, but DID provide traces from

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional-random-ext

2010-04-22 Thread Martin Rex
Paul Hoffman wrote: Without a rationale for when the extension is useful, it is impossible for implementers to know when use of this extension is warranted or not. The environment I described in the earlier thread is TLS with Diffie-Hellman. I thought that saying that was sufficient, but

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional-random-ext (Additional Random

2010-04-22 Thread Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org wrote: In which environments is the extension useful? The only motivation in the document that I can find is this:  In some application environments, it is desirable to have the client  and/or the server be able to input more

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional-random-ext

2010-04-22 Thread Martin Rex
Paul Hoffman wrote: In Diffie-Hellman key establishment with static keys, even if the PRNG of one side is bad, the resulting pre-master secret is still sound. TLS needs _more_ than the secrecy of the pre-master secret to be secure. Snippets from rfc-5246 (TLS v1.2):

Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes (was: Re: Pointing to IANA registries)

2010-04-22 Thread John C Klensin
(I've changed the subject line because this topic might interest members of the community who have long since tuned out the Pointers to IANA... topic.) Below... --On Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:50 +0200 Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: ... In some cases there's also a considerable

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional-random-ext (Additional Random Extension to TLS) to Proposed Standard

2010-04-22 Thread Nicolas Williams
The introduction of this I-D is very, very thin, and, more importantly, there's no applicability information. I have asked before and gotten no additional information. I've also suggested one use for this that the author rejected on the grounds, IIRC, that this extension is not intended for that

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-master-secret-input (Additional Master Secret Inputs for TLS) to Proposed Standard

2010-04-22 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:27:03AM -0700, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Additional Master Secret Inputs for TLS ' draft-hoffman-tls-master-secret-input-01.txt as a Proposed Standard I support

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes (was: Re: Pointingto IANA registries)

2010-04-22 Thread Spencer Dawkins
I might drift slightly toward there should be a published Internet-Draft that differs only in formatting-as-an-RFC from what is published as an RFC, but would be willing to listen to arguments that this is too strict - but I broadly agree with what's said below. Spencer (I've changed the

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-master-secret-input (Additional

2010-04-22 Thread Martin Rex
Nicolas Williams wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:27:03AM -0700, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Additional Master Secret Inputs for TLS ' draft-hoffman-tls-master-secret-input-01.txt as a

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes (was: Re: Pointingto IANA registries)

2010-04-22 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, April 22, 2010 13:27 -0500 Spencer Dawkins spen...@wonderhamster.org wrote: I might drift slightly toward there should be a published Internet-Draft that differs only in formatting-as-an-RFC from what is published as an RFC, but would be willing to listen to arguments that

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes

2010-04-22 Thread Bob Braden
If I may comment from my position as ex-RSE, the RFC Editor's policy for at least the past 10 years has been to fuss at authors who ask for substantive changes in AUTH48, but then to follow the dictum: better to get it right than get it early. In other words, the RFC Editor did push back but

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes

2010-04-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Bob, I hope we all agree with that. There can be a difficulty, however, if the apparently obvious and correct technical fix actually has implications beyond the obvious that might be picked up by renewed WG discussion or even a repeat Last Call. But I think we would be foolish to legislate on

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes

2010-04-22 Thread Martin Rex
Brian E Carpenter wrote: There can be a difficulty, however, if the apparently obvious and correct technical fix actually has implications beyond the obvious that might be picked up by renewed WG discussion or even a repeat Last Call. But I think we would be

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes

2010-04-22 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, April 22, 2010 13:23 -0700 Bob Braden bra...@isi.edu wrote: If I may comment from my position as ex-RSE, the RFC Editor's policy for at least the past 10 years has been to fuss at authors who ask for substantive changes in AUTH48, but then to follow the dictum: better to get

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes

2010-04-22 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, April 22, 2010 23:45 +0200 Martin Rex m...@sap.com wrote: Maybe this is much more of a tools than of a procedural issue? (I personally don't know the AUTH48 and editing process). If the RFC Editor would provide his edited document back to the document author in a format

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2010-04-22 Thread Thomas Narten
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Protocol Action: 'A Recommendation for IPv6 Address Text Representation' to Proposed Standard

2010-04-22 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'A Recommendation for IPv6 Address Text Representation ' draft-ietf-6man-text-addr-representation-07.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the IPv6 Maintenance Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Jari Arkko and