Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-08-03 Thread Scott W Brim
Once upon a time Bob Braden would alternate WG sessions, one "open" and then one only for people who were actually contributing. On Jul 31, 2010 7:00 AM, "Peter Saint-Andre" wrote: > At 9:32 AM -0800 7/30/10, Melinda Shore wrote: > >>The implication that there needs to be a session, with a room

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-08-03 Thread Scott W Brim
Throwing a draft at the IETF without a lot of supporting work rarely gets anywhere, but some people find it hard to figure out just what "supporting" work is actually effective and to execute on it. It's the non-procedural parts of the IETF process that confound people, and lead to various end runs

RE: how eduroam works (was: Re: Admission Control to the IETF 78 and IETF 79 Networks)

2010-08-03 Thread Josh Howlett
As someone who is involved in eduroam, I'm curious how many people found the availability of eduroam at IETF 78 useful. If you believe that you are eligible to use eduroam - irrespective of whether you tried it at IETF 78 - please consider completing the form at the following URL (it's only thr

how eduroam works (was: Re: Admission Control to the IETF 78 and IETF 79 Networks)

2010-08-03 Thread Klaas Wierenga
Hi Phillip, You can find all you want to know at the website: http://www.eduroam.org, especially the Service Definition at: http://www.eduroam.org/downloads/docs/GN2-07-327v2-DS5_1_1-_eduroam_Service_Definition.pdf you may also want to watch the cartoon at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVCm

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-08-03 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Or why not go further and reorganize IETF completely on the same lines as most other standards bodies. IETF would be split into intensive one or two day working groups in which the WG was expected to make significant progress on closing out its issues list. Wednesday would be set aside for the tu

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-08-03 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Nah, a working group of last resort is when you create your own standards organization to work on it. Or in some cases that is a first resort. I find it rather amusing to find the number of such efforts that were started with the idea that they had to move faster than the existing standards orgs c

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-08-03 Thread Carsten Bormann
On Jul 30, 2010, at 14:54, Jari Arkko wrote: > people consistently referring to the meetings as "BOFs", The fix is to call the formal working group formation planning meetings "working group formation planning meetings", not to stop calling the literal BoF meetings "BoFs". A lot of conference

Re: Internet upgraded to foil cyber crooks

2010-08-03 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
And nowhere is it noticed that cyber crooks are attacking the insecurity of the banking system, not the Internet at all really Sent from my iPhone On 29 Jul 2010, at 08:25, Jorge Amodio wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100729/tc_afp/usitinternetsoftwarecrimeicannblackhat I guess the n

Re: [Isis-wg] Last Call: draft-ietf-isis-bfd-tlv (IS-IS BFD EnabledTLV) to Proposed Standard

2010-08-03 Thread lan7801
Hi, I have some comments about this draft. section 3.2. Adjacency Establishment and Maintenance Whenever ISIS_BFD_REQUIRED is TRUE the following extensions to the rules for adjacency establishment and maintenance MUST apply: o ISIS_NEIGHBOR_USEABLE MUST be TRUE before the adja