Re: Proposed WG and BOF Scheduling Experiment

2010-11-08 Thread Michael Richardson
Henk == Henk Uijterwaal h...@ripe.net writes: Henk So, I'd take it a step further: Starting Monday morning, 2 of the 7 Henk or 8 meeting slots in each session are reserved for BOFs and the other Henk 4 or 5 for WG meetings. That way, we'll have all the BOFs done by Henk Tuesday

RE: BOF Attendance Minimization

2010-11-08 Thread Bernard Aboba
Dave Crocker said: 1. Can you provide some rationale for the details of the experiment? 2. Is one goal to maximize the attendance conflicts among BOFs? 1. In terms of rationale, I am reminded of Kinky Freedman's slogan, when running for Governor or Texas: Why Not? (see

Re: Proposed WG and BOF Scheduling Experiment

2010-11-08 Thread Russ Housley
Brian: Finally, provide an additional four weeks to deliver BOF proposal to ADs. Do you mean: make the BOF request cutoff later? If so, that is a feature, but since people are deadline driven, I'm not sure that moving the deadline is a major advantage. The deadline for BOF requests comes

Re: Proposed WG and BOF Scheduling Experiment

2010-11-08 Thread Pete Resnick
On 11/8/10 10:26 AM, The IESG wrote: schedule all BOFs for Monday afternoon. I think this is a bad idea for the reasons stated earlier. This reduces cross-protocol review more than the minimal amount that is going on now. pr -- Pete Resnickhttp://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/ Qualcomm

Re: BOF Attendance Minimization

2010-11-08 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 11/8/2010 6:07 PM, Bernard Aboba wrote: Dave Crocker said: 1. Can you provide some rationale for the details of the experiment?b 2. Is one goal to maximize the attendance conflicts among BOFs? 1. In terms of rationale, I am reminded of Kinky Freedman's slogan, when running for Governor

Re: Proposed WG and BOF Scheduling Experiment

2010-11-08 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 06:26:49PM -0800, The IESG wrote: The IESG is seriously considering a WG and BOF scheduling experiment. The goal of the experiment is to provide WG agenda sooner and also provide more time to craft BOF proposals. I think the goals are good. The proposed experiment

Re: Proposed WG and BOF Scheduling Experiment

2010-11-08 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Assuming, of course, that we continue to expect that the IESG will do the right thing, whatever that turns out to be ... Henk == Henk Uijterwaal h...@ripe.net writes: Henk So, I'd take it a step further: Starting Monday morning, 2 of the 7 Henk or 8 meeting slots in each session are

RE: Proposed WG and BOF Scheduling Experiment

2010-11-08 Thread Worley, Dale R (Dale)
From: wgchairs-boun...@ietf.org [wgchairs-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley [hous...@vigilsec.com] The deadline for BOF requests comes too soon after the end of one IETF meeting for the next one. We are hearing complaints, and subjectively, the

RE: Proposed WG and BOF Scheduling Experiment

2010-11-08 Thread Ross Callon
WGs already have a charter and WG chairs. It would be *very* unusual to decide to revoke a WG's charter between the time that the request to meet has been made and the secretariat puts together a draft IETF charter (much less unusual to update a WG charter in a way that is fully consistent with

Requested follow-up from last night's plenary

2010-11-08 Thread Ted Hardie
Scott, Sam, and Glenn rightly pointed out last night that my comments at the mic were long on rant and short on substance. My apologies to the community for that. I committed to provide more substantive comments; in order to meet the time limits Olaf noted, I have provided a first draft in

Re: Proposed WG and BOF Scheduling Experiment

2010-11-08 Thread Kurt Zeilenga
On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:26 PM, The IESG wrote: The IESG is seriously considering a WG and BOF scheduling experiment. The goal of the experiment is to provide WG agenda sooner and also provide more time to craft BOF proposals. The proposed experiment includes three parts. First, schedule all

Provider-Aggregated vs Provider-Independent IPv6 addressing

2010-11-08 Thread Templin, Fred L
During the IPv6 panel at the plenary last night, representatives of several major service providers discussed their experiences with IPv6. It became clear that many of their experiments involve technologies that delegate Provider-Aggregated (PA) IPv6 prefixes to the customer instead of

Re: Provider-Aggregated vs Provider-Independent IPv6 addressing

2010-11-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2010-11-09 13:54, Templin, Fred L wrote: During the IPv6 panel at the plenary last night, representatives of several major service providers discussed their experiences with IPv6. It became clear that many of their experiments involve technologies that delegate Provider-Aggregated (PA)

Re: Proposed WG and BOF Scheduling Experiment

2010-11-08 Thread Geoff Mulligan
Maybe for the experiment we should also move the Social to Friday evening: 1) it won't interfere with IP meeting time; 2) less people so better chance of getting a ticket; 3) more folks will stay for Friday meetings; 4) IETF meeting will be over so we can let our hair down - oops that's not a

RE: Proposed WG and BOF Scheduling Experiment

2010-11-08 Thread David Harrington
Hi, part of the justification is to have the BOF early in the week so people can discuss it during the week. dbh -Original Message- From: iesg-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:iesg-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Richard L. Barnes Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:29 AM To: ietf@ietf.org

Re: Proposed WG and BOF Scheduling Experiment

2010-11-08 Thread Andrew G. Malis
Like others that have chimed in, I'm just concerned that it will be difficult to attend multiple BOFs of interest if they're all scheduled against each other. Cheers, Andy On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:47 PM, David Harrington ietf...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, part of the justification is to have the

RE: [OAUTH-WG] ** OAuth Tutorial OAuth Security Session **

2010-11-08 Thread Anthony Nadalin
I was looking for less of an analysis and more of considerations (of the current flows and actors), I'm not sure how to adapt what you have done to actually fit in the current specification, was your thought that you would produce a separate security analysis document? -Original

Re: Proposed WG and BOF Scheduling Experiment

2010-11-08 Thread Scott Brim
On 11/08/2010 12:47 GMT+08:00, David Harrington wrote: Hi, part of the justification is to have the BOF early in the week so people can discuss it during the week. dbh Yes, that's important, and better than what we have now. I think that of what I've heard so far, the idea of scheduling

Updated - Audio Streaming Info - IETF 79 Beijing, November 7-12, 2010

2010-11-08 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Greetings, Updates: A playlist with all 8 audio streams is: http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf79.m3u streams being archived after recording are temporarily being archived at: http://79archive.dyndns.org/ietf79/ -Audio

RE: Proposed WG and BOF Scheduling Experiment

2010-11-08 Thread Worley, Dale R (Dale)
___ From: Ross Callon [rcal...@juniper.net] Thus [BOF proposals] take more time to evaluate [than requests for WG sessions]. I'm sure that's true. But that doesn't change the fact that a useful BOF idea is likely to

Second Last Call: draft-cakulev-mikey-ibake (MIKEY-IBAKE: Identity-Based Mode of Key Distribution in Multimedia Internet KEYing (MIKEY)) to Informational RFC

2010-11-08 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'MIKEY-IBAKE: Identity-Based Mode of Key Distribution in Multimedia Internet KEYing (MIKEY) ' draft-cakulev-mikey-ibake-01.txt as an Informational RFC An IPR disclosure statement for this

Problems with internet draft announcements

2010-11-08 Thread Glen Barney
All - We are aware that there is a problem with Internet-Draft announcements being sent to the I-D-Announce list. The problem appears to be malformed MIME headers, and/or incorrect handling of those headers. Initial triage indicates that the problem may be related to a recent update sent to us

Last Call: draft-ietf-dhc-leasequery-by-remote-id-07.txt (DHCPv4 lease query by Relay Agent Remote ID) to Proposed Standard

2010-11-08 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Dynamic Host Configuration WG (dhc) to consider the following document: - 'DHCPv4 lease query by Relay Agent Remote ID' draft-ietf-dhc-leasequery-by-remote-id-07.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and

Last Call: draft-ietf-mext-rfc3775bis-10.txt (Mobility Support in IPv6) to Proposed Standard

2010-11-08 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Mobility EXTensions for IPv6 WG (mext) to consider the following document: - 'Mobility Support in IPv6' draft-ietf-mext-rfc3775bis-10.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this