Re: Just Thinking (About the Nightmare Transition Ahead)

2011-01-24 Thread Martin Rex
Brian E Carpenter wrote: However, see draft-wing-v6ops-happy-eyeballs-ipv6 Yuk. That approach appears to be from a completely different universe that solutions to the IPv4-IPv6 migration issue. Instead of solving the problem where it originates, at the network level, it dumps the entire

Re: Just Thinking (About the Nightmare Transition Ahead)

2011-01-24 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 201101241115.p0obfpmu016...@fs4113.wdf.sap.corp, Martin Rex writes : Brian E Carpenter wrote: However, see draft-wing-v6ops-happy-eyeballs-ipv6 Yuk. That approach appears to be from a completely different universe that solutions to the IPv4-IPv6 migration issue. Instead

Gen-ART LC review of draft-arkko-dual-stack-extra-lite

2011-01-24 Thread Roni Even
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq. Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document:

Re: Just Thinking (About the Nightmare Transition Ahead)

2011-01-24 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Sure people can do this, but what is the point? Let us imagine that as a matter of national policy we are all to live in smaller houses to save energy. In what respect would such a policy be realized if everyone bought a second, smaller house and started occupying both simultaneously? The

Re: Just Thinking (About the Nightmare Transition Ahead)

2011-01-24 Thread Mark Andrews
In message aanlktim22fksqt__6efh0k3lduutv6orsboemfrua...@mail.gmail.com, Phil lip Hallam-Baker writes: Sure people can do this, but what is the point? Let us imagine that as a matter of national policy we are all to live in smaller houses to save energy. In what respect would such a policy

Last Call: draft-holsten-about-uri-scheme-06.txt (The 'about' URI scheme) to Proposed Standard

2011-01-24 Thread Boris Zbarsky
There seem to be two differences between what the draft specifies right now and what Gecko, at least, does: 1) Section 5.3 says: Applications SHOULD resolve unrecognized about URIs in the same way as about:blank. Gecko treats unknown about:* as unparseable URIs, and is not likely to

Gen-ART LC review of draft-ietf-pwe3-oam-msg-map-14

2011-01-24 Thread Roni Even
Hi, I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq. Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document: draft-ietf-pwe3-oam-msg-map-14

Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

2011-01-24 Thread Russ Housley
draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-03 was just posted. It reflects much of the discussion on this thread over the last few months. In particular, it embraces the changes put forward in the recent proposal by Dave Crocker, Eric Burger, Peter Saint-Andre, and Spencer Dawkins. Please take a look

Re: Last Call: draft-holsten-about-uri-scheme-06.txt (The 'about' URI scheme) to Proposed Standard

2011-01-24 Thread Ted Hardie
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: I believe about qualifies for permanent as per http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4395#section-2, if there's something essential missing, we should fix it. Hi Julian, I think the key question is whether this qualifies as

RE: Just Thinking (About the Nightmare Transition Ahead)

2011-01-24 Thread Worley, Dale R (Dale)
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu [m...@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com] My thought right now is perhaps of an OS update that includes a background client which tries very hard to reduce the effect of breakage

Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

2011-01-24 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 1/24/11 10:37 AM, Russ Housley wrote: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-03 was just posted. It reflects much of the discussion on this thread over the last few months. In particular, it embraces the changes put forward in the recent proposal by Dave Crocker, Eric Burger, Peter

Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

2011-01-24 Thread Joel M. Halpern
It seems to me that this proposal strikes a good balance in making an effort to improve the situation regarding our document track. Regarding the particular clause: On 1/24/2011 1:30 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: ... 2. I found this statement to be strange: The intention of the two-tier

Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

2011-01-24 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 1/24/11 11:39 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: It seems to me that this proposal strikes a good balance in making an effort to improve the situation regarding our document track. Regarding the particular clause: On 1/24/2011 1:30 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: ... 2. I found this statement to

Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

2011-01-24 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Joel M. Halpern j...@joelhalpern.comwrote: It seems to me that this proposal strikes a good balance in making an effort to improve the situation regarding our document track. Regarding the particular clause: On 1/24/2011 1:30 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

RE: IETF 83 Venue

2011-01-24 Thread Worley, Dale R (Dale)
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bob Hinden [bob.hin...@gmail.com] Wasn't the official definition of the meter also tied to Paris? ___ The original measurement was done on a

Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

2011-01-24 Thread RJ Atkinson
Earlier, Joel Halpern wrote: It seems to me that this proposal strikes a good balance in making an effort to improve the situation regarding our document track. Regarding the particular clause: On 1/24/2011 1:30 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: ... 2. I found this statement to be strange:

Re: Last Call: draft-holsten-about-uri-scheme-06.txt (The 'about' URI scheme) to Proposed Standard

2011-01-24 Thread SM
Hi Ted, At 10:02 24-01-11, Ted Hardie wrote: I think the key question is whether this qualifies as well-defined (section 2.3). The draft declares some tokens/strings to be reserved, and names one such string. It also declares that other strings may be reserved by other specifications, but it

Re: IETF 83 Venue

2011-01-24 Thread Huub van Helvoort
Hi, In adition to the meter, also the platinum kilogram is in Paris. Although recently it was found that it has lost some weight (compared to its brothers and sisters in other locations)... Wasn't the official definition of the meter also tied to Paris?

Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

2011-01-24 Thread Tony Hansen
On 1/24/2011 12:37 PM, Russ Housley wrote: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-03 was just posted. ... Overall I find this spec to be an improvement over the previous version. Here are a few areas where improvements can be made. This phrase in Section 1: In addition, IETF

draft-yevstifeyev-genarea-historic - Clarifying the Historic status

2011-01-24 Thread Mykyta Yevstifeyev
Hello all, A few weeks ago, if you remember, we had a discussion on moving Experimental RFCs to Historic. Among other, we spoke that the definition of Historic status is not right and needs to be corrected. I'm citing the corresponding message: Hi, I think that the author of RFC2026

Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

2011-01-24 Thread Mykyta Yevstifeyev
25.01.2011 6:13, Tony Hansen wrote: On 1/24/2011 12:37 PM, Russ Housley wrote: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-03 was just posted. ... Overall I find this spec to be an improvement over the previous version. Here are a few areas where improvements can be made. [. . . . .] One

Revising Some Standards?

2011-01-24 Thread Mykyta Yevstifeyev
Hello all, There are a number of Full Standards (STD20-24), that, IMO, need revsising. Firstly, all of these documents define the protocols only for TCP and UDP, and that might be useful to define them for such protocols, as DCCP or SCTP. Moreover, in spite of being the Full Standards, it

Last Call: draft-ietf-netconf-4741bis-07.txt (Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF)) to Proposed Standard

2011-01-24 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Network Configuration WG (netconf) to consider the following document: - 'Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF)' draft-ietf-netconf-4741bis-07.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final

Document Action: 'MPLS Transport Profile User-to-Network and Network-to-Network Interfaces' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-mpls-tp-uni-nni-03.txt)

2011-01-24 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'MPLS Transport Profile User-to-Network and Network-to-Network Interfaces' (draft-ietf-mpls-tp-uni-nni-03.txt) as an Informational RFC This document is the product of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group. The IESG contact persons

Protocol Action: 'Lightweight DHCPv6 Relay Agent' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-ldra-03.txt)

2011-01-24 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Lightweight DHCPv6 Relay Agent' (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-ldra-03.txt) as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Dynamic Host Configuration Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Ralph Droms and Jari Arkko. A URL of this

Protocol Action: 'Indication of support for keep-alive' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-sipcore-keep-12.txt)

2011-01-24 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Indication of support for keep-alive' (draft-ietf-sipcore-keep-12.txt) as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Session Initiation Protocol Core Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Robert Sparks and Gonzalo Camarillo.

Document Action: 'Addition of the ARIA Cipher Suites to Transport Layer Security (TLS)' to Informational RFC (draft-nsri-tls-aria-01.txt)

2011-01-24 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Addition of the ARIA Cipher Suites to Transport Layer Security (TLS)' (draft-nsri-tls-aria-01.txt) as an Informational RFC This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working Group. The IESG contact person is

Re: Experimental RFC to be: draft-templin-iron-17.txt

2011-01-24 Thread The IESG
The IESG has no problem with the publication of 'The Internet Routing Overlay Network (IRON)' draft-templin-iron-17.txt as an Experimental RFC. The IESG would also like the IRSG to review the comments in the datatracker

Re: Informational RFC to be: draft-zorn-radius-keywrap-18.txt

2011-01-24 Thread The IESG
The IESG has no problem with the publication of 'Cisco Vendor Specific RADIUS Attributes for the Delivery of Keying Material' draft-zorn-radius-keywrap-18.txt as an Informational RFC. The IESG would also like the RFC-Editor to review the comments in the datatracker

RFC 6079 on HIP BONE: Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Based Overlay Networking Environment (BONE)

2011-01-24 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6079 Title: HIP BONE: Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Based Overlay Networking Environment (BONE) Author: G. Camarillo, P. Nikander, J.

RFC 6092 on Recommended Simple Security Capabilities in Customer Premises Equipment (CPE) for Providing Residential IPv6 Internet Service

2011-01-24 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6092 Title: Recommended Simple Security Capabilities in Customer Premises Equipment (CPE) for Providing Residential IPv6 Internet Service