Abfab@IETF80

2011-03-24 Thread Klaas Wierenga
Hi, At the risk of causing my mail box to be filled with flames... I want to draw your attention to the fact that the first of the 2 Abfab sessions (Monday 1510-1610 Abfab I, Karlin I) will be dedicated to the overall architecture, example use cases and current implementation status. So if yo

Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

2011-03-24 Thread Mykyta Yevstifeyev
Russ, all, Another proposal as for your document. So, it fails to mention what are the procedures for reclassification of Standards Track RFCs to Historic. Therefore, I propose the following text: 6. Procedures for Reclassification of Standards Track RFCs as Historic Documents Under s

Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

2011-03-24 Thread Joel M. Halpern
As far as I can tell, your proposal does not match the meaning we use for Historic. More importantly, there does not seem to be a problem that needs to be addressed in this area. Most importantly, if there is a problem, it should in my opinion be addressed separately from the topic of this draft

Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

2011-03-24 Thread Mykyta Yevstifeyev
24.03.2011 17:42, Joel M. Halpern wrote: As far as I can tell, your proposal does not match the meaning we use for Historic. More importantly, there does not seem to be a problem that needs to be addressed in this area. Most importantly, if there is a problem, it should in my opinion be address

Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

2011-03-24 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 3/24/2011 4:49 PM, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote:> Another proposal as for your document. So, it fails to mention what are the procedures for reclassification of Standards Track RFCs to Historic. Generally, the document tries to limit itself to discussion of what it changes. There are no chan

Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

2011-03-24 Thread Bob Hinden
On Mar 24, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > > On 3/24/2011 4:49 PM, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote:> Another proposal as for your document. So, it fails to mention what are the procedures for reclassification of Standards Track RFCs to Historic. > > > Generally, the document trie

Re: Automatically updated Table of Contents with Nroff

2011-03-24 Thread ned+ietf
> I can't escape the feeling that this discussion of using markup language > editing to produce RFCs, is a bit upside down. > I'm much more concerned with draft writers having to deal with markup > syntax than I am about drafters trying to put a page break in a sensible > location, or format their

Re: Automatically updated Table of Contents with Nroff

2011-03-24 Thread Stefan Santesson
Ned, On 11-03-24 9:48 PM, "Ned Freed" wrote: >> I can't escape the feeling that this discussion of using markup language >> editing to produce RFCs, is a bit upside down. > >> I'm much more concerned with draft writers having to deal with markup >> syntax than I am about drafters trying to put a

Re: Automatically updated Table of Contents with Nroff

2011-03-24 Thread ned+ietf
> But you are probably pretty experienced user and you probably spent some > time setting up your environment to get where you are. The answer is no to both. When I first started using xml2rfc I don't think I had written a single line of XML. As for setting up the editing environment, I installed

Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

2011-03-24 Thread Eric Burger
Agreed. On Mar 24, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > > On Mar 24, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > >> >> >> On 3/24/2011 4:49 PM, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote:> > Another proposal as for your document. So, it fails to mention what are > the procedures for reclassification of S

Re: Automatically updated Table of Contents with Nroff

2011-03-24 Thread John Levine
>I believe having to deal with markup syntax poses a significant >barrier to those not as experienced as you. >From long experience, I can assure you that whatever you are used to seems obvious and natural, and whatever you aren't seems strange and difficult. I think nroff is swell, having been u

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2011-03-24 Thread Thomas Narten
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