On Jun 14, 2011, at 12:57 AM, Michel Py wrote:
>> Keith Moore wrote:
>> 6to4 awesome. it's those BGP advertisements for broken relay
>> routers, and those ISPs that filter protocol 41 that are bad.
>
> I won't go as far as supporting you on this one. Anything that makes the
> network work, goo
> Keith Moore wrote:
> 6to4 awesome. it's those BGP advertisements for broken relay
> routers, and those ISPs that filter protocol 41 that are bad.
I won't go as far as supporting you on this one. Anything that makes the
network work, good. Anything that breaks the network, bad.
Please conside
On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:06 PM, t.petch wrote:
>
> To quote from the draft (anyone read it?:-)
>
> " 6rd [RFC5969] utilizes the same encapsulation and base mechanism as
> 6to4, and could be viewed as a superset of 6to4 (6to4 could be
> achieved by setting the 6rd prefix to 2002::/16). Howev
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- Original Message -
From: "Joel Jaeggli"
To: "Michel Py"
Cc: "Keith Moore" ; "IETF-Discussion"
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 6:15 PM
>
> On Jun 12, 2011, at 12:24 PM, Michel Py wrote:
>
> > According to this:
> > http://blogs.cisco.com/sp/france-is-famous-for-fine-wine-cheese-and-now-
> >
On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:24 40PM, Ofer Inbar wrote:
> I've never been able to get first level tech support at my ISP to
> understand "latency" or "packet loss". They only understand "can you
> load a web page?" This does not mean their ISP doesn't provide packet
> loss and latency, standard with
I've never been able to get first level tech support at my ISP to
understand "latency" or "packet loss". They only understand "can you
load a web page?" This does not mean their ISP doesn't provide packet
loss and latency, standard with their service :)
More to the point, when I've been at hotel
On Jun 12, 2011, at 12:24 PM, Michel Py wrote:
> According to this:
> http://blogs.cisco.com/sp/france-is-famous-for-fine-wine-cheese-and-now-
> ipv6/
> and some more recent direct talks in French, about half of worldwide
> IPv6 traffic is French.
>
> The bulk of it comes from a single ISP (Free
On Jun 13, 2011, at 8:28 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>> From: Keith Moore
>
>> To be fair, I think the argument is more that "ISP managed" IPv6 is
>> preferred over "IPv6 tunneled by end-users through relay routers ..."
>
> It is exactly this sort of 'mandate it and they will come' thinking that I
> From: Cameron Byrne
> The data (ripe ...) overwhelming proves default-on 6to4 clients +
> thinly deployed relays = unreliable ipv6 and ipv6 deployment obstacle.
And how is making the protocol historic going to affect broken stuff that's
already been deployed (which is what is causi
> From: Keith Moore
> To be fair, I think the argument is more that "ISP managed" IPv6 is
> preferred over "IPv6 tunneled by end-users through relay routers ..."
It is exactly this sort of 'mandate it and they will come' thinking that IPv6
has relied on since it was rammed through in
- Original Message -
From: "Nathaniel Borenstein"
To: "Keith Moore"
Cc: "John Levine" ;
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:49 PM
> Just for the record:
>
> -- I don't believe that my single experience with first line tech support at
BT says much about BT's broader role, or its relative sophi
On Jun 12, 2011 11:26 PM, "Michel Py"
wrote:
>
> > Cameron Byrne wrote:
> > The faint promise of yet another transition mechanism is hardly
> > a motivation to keep 6to4 around. The data (ripe ...)
> > overwhelming proves default-on 6to4 clients + thinly deployed
> > relays = unreliable ipv6 and
Another data point from a different and large ISP (and mobile company).
Mobile supplier calls. We have this great new broadband offer for you with all
these irresistible features.
Tom. Does it support IPv6, Internet Protocol version six?
Mobile supplier. I will check with my supervisor.
I have a general point and then a couple of my own stories to tell.
The general point is that you should NOT read too much into this. Tech
support or sales on any consumer service is very dumb. Most often they
do not even understand their own current business, let alone new
features or trends.
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