Re: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread Huub van Helvoort
All, Why section 5.1 is an author's impression: Statement: SONET and SDH were defined as competing standards Fact: SONET was developed first by ANSI based on the 24 channel PDH hierarchy existing in North America and Japan. The basic rate based on DS3. Some time later ETSI developed SDH based

Re: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread SM
At 12:42 26-09-2011, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM' draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make

Re: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On Sep 29, 2011, at 1:06 AM, Huub van Helvoort wrote: All, I propose to completely remove section 5 of this draft. The reason: The IETF should *NOT* document any comment on any multiple standards developed by other SDOs which are outside of the IETF's scope. Especially standards

Re: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread Thomas Nadeau
A few more thoughts on this thread. All, I propose to completely remove section 5 of this draft. The reason: The IETF should *NOT* document any comment on any multiple standards developed by other SDOs which are outside of the IETF's scope. Especially standards like like

Re: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread Andrew Feren
On 09/29/2011 09:18 AM, Thomas Nadeau wrote: A few more thoughts on this thread. All, I propose to completely remove section 5 of this draft. The reason: The IETF should *NOT* document any comment on any multiple standards developed by other SDOs which are outside of the IETF's

Re: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread Malcolm . BETTS
All, From my personal knowledge, the comments from Huub are accurate. (I was an active participant at the 1988 ITU meeting in Seoul where the SDH frame format was agreed). The IETF should not publish a consensus approved draft that contains inaccurate information about a standard that was

Re: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread Malcolm . BETTS
Tom, Please see in line below. Regards, Malcolm Thomas Nadeau tnad...@lucidvision.com Sent by: ietf-boun...@ietf.org 29/09/2011 07:48 AM To huubatw...@gmail.com cc The IESG iesg-secret...@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, IETF-Announce ietf-annou...@ietf.org Subject Re: Last Call:

Re: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread Malcolm . BETTS
Tom, Please see in line below. Regards, Malcolm Thomas Nadeau tnad...@lucidvision.com Sent by: ietf-boun...@ietf.org 29/09/2011 09:18 AM To huubatw...@gmail.com cc The IESG iesg-secret...@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, IETF-Announce ietf-annou...@ietf.org Subject Re: Last Call:

RE: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread andy.bd.reid
All, First, let me say I have no absolutely desire to enter into debate into the substantive matter of this draft. If the purpose of the draft is to be 'Informational' then the reader would have a reasonable expectation for the information to be correct, especially if it is referencing

RE: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread Varma, Eve L (Eve)
Dear all, As also being one of the participants directly involved in the SONET/SDH standardization process from its inception, I would like to echo Andy's sentiments. Best regards, Eve From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of

RE: [BEHAVE] ... Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH))

2011-09-29 Thread Dan Wing
-Original Message- From: Rémi Després [mailto:remi.desp...@free.fr] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:14 AM To: Softwires-wg Cc: Dan Wing; Teemu Savolainen; Satoru Matsushima; IETF discussion list; Behave WG Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] ... Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host

Re: [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-29 Thread GangChen
Hello Dan, Can you run an FTP server on the BIH host, and have it do active mode transfers and passive mode transfers? Could you elaborate the scenario? You assume BIH host taking FTP sever. I'm not sure whether following scenarios are correct There are two possibilities Option 1:

RE: [BEHAVE] ... Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH))

2011-09-29 Thread Dan Wing
-Original Message- From: Rémi Després [mailto:remi.desp...@free.fr] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 3:13 AM To: Dan Wing Cc: 'Softwires-wg'; 'Behave WG'; 'IETF discussion list'; 'Teemu Savolainen' Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] ... Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) Le

RE: [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-29 Thread Dan Wing
-Original Message- From: behave-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:behave-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of GangChen Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:09 AM To: Dan Wing Cc: Hui Deng; beh...@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; softwi...@ietf.org; Cameron Byrne Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] Last Call:

RE: [Softwires] [BEHAVE] ... Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH))

2011-09-29 Thread Dan Wing
If a host has several interfaces, each interface must have its own private IPv4 address (case b) at this interface), or its own IPv4 address, possibly with a restricted port set (case a)). The host must handle ports according to what applies to its chosen interface. Agreed. But it's not

Re: [BEHAVE] [Softwires] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-29 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) raj...@cisco.com wrote: Hi Cameron, If the application itself delivers an IPv4 literal via protocols like MSN or Skype, there is a path and socket made available, that is what this NAT46 code does. Is there a dependency on the existence

RE: [BEHAVE] [Softwires] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-29 Thread Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
Hi Cameron, Very interesting ( clever indeed). How does this clever code ensure that all but a few (pesky apps) continue to use IPv6 interface instead of the NAT46 interface? Cheers, Rajiv -Original Message- From: behave-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:behave-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf

Re: [Softwires] [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-29 Thread Mark Townsley
On Sep 28, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Mark Townsley m...@townsley.net wrote: +1 ... since the alternative is that apps that require ipv4 sockets and pass ipv4 literals are stranded on ipv6 only networks. Running code on the n900 shows that

Re: [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-29 Thread Rémi Després
Le 28 sept. 2011 à 23:16, Cameron Byrne a écrit : ... It can't determine the public IP address and port of a mapping on the NAT64 (CGN), and it can't create a mapping on the NAT64 (CGN) -- because the CGN is going to make a dynamic mapping when it sees a UDP, TCP, or ICMP packet from

Gen-ART LC review of draft-ietf-drinks-usecases-requirements-06

2011-09-29 Thread Roni Even
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq. Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document: draft-ietf-drinks-usecases-requirements-06

RE: [BEHAVE] [Softwires] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-29 Thread Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
Hi Cameron, If the application itself delivers an IPv4 literal via protocols like MSN or Skype, there is a path and socket made available, that is what this NAT46 code does. Is there a dependency on the existence of IPv4 literal so as to use the v4-interface provided by NAT46 code? IOW, does

Re: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread Scott O Bradner
I'm having a hard time understanding just what this document is trying to do I understand from the title that it is supposed to be telling the reader why a single OAM solution is a good idea for MPLS-TP if that is the case I'm not all that sure what the purpose of sections 4 and 5 are for -

Re: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Scott, On 2011-09-30 05:30, Scott O Bradner wrote: I'm having a hard time understanding just what this document is trying to do I understand from the title that it is supposed to be telling the reader why a single OAM solution is a good idea for MPLS-TP if that is the case I'm not all

Re: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On Sep 29, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Scott, On 2011-09-30 05:30, Scott O Bradner wrote: I'm having a hard time understanding just what this document is trying to do I understand from the title that it is supposed to be telling the reader why a single OAM solution is

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2011-09-29 Thread Thomas Narten
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Re: [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-29 Thread Hui Deng
Best is no ALG. Worse is one ALG. Even worse is two ALGs. -d OK, I have see that there is two solutions for just one ALG. -Hui ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-29 Thread Hui Deng
inline please, +1 ... since the alternative is that apps that require ipv4 sockets and pass ipv4 literals are stranded on ipv6 only networks. Running code on the n900 shows that nat464 provides real user and network benefit Can you run an FTP server on the BIH host, and have it do active

Last Call: draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui-reqs-06.txt (Problem Statement and Requirements for Transporting User to User Call Control Information in SIP) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Call Control UUI Service for SIP WG (cuss) to consider the following document: - 'Problem Statement and Requirements for Transporting User to User Call Control Information in SIP' draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui-reqs-06.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG

Protocol Action: 'MPLS On-demand Connectivity Verification and Route Tracing' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-mpls-tp-on-demand-cv-07.txt)

2011-09-29 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'MPLS On-demand Connectivity Verification and Route Tracing' (draft-ietf-mpls-tp-on-demand-cv-07.txt) as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Adrian

New Non-WG Mailing List: dcon -- Distributed Conferencing BOF discussion list

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