Since the topic was raised here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/26/girls_in_ict_day/
Note the comment about the need for role models.
Regards
Brian
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 09:35:03AM +0100,
Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote
a message of 9 lines which said:
Since the topic was raised here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/26/girls_in_ict_day/
So, IETF folklore never scares men? Good.
I also note that the
Not quite true -- I participated at this venue btw -- though the comment was
sourced from Nelli Kroes AFAIK
M
On 4/30/12 1:39 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer bortzme...@nic.fr wrote:
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 09:35:03AM +0100,
Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote
a message of 9 lines
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:39:56AM +0200,
Stephane Bortzmeyer bortzme...@nic.fr wrote
a message of 13 lines which said:
I also note that the prominent women from the technology industry
invited by the IUT
s/IUT/ITU/ of course.
I understand that this was the result of a high-level dialogue
(whatever that means) among few (how many?) people. This reminds me
of the the Emperor of China nose length problem
http://imaginatorium.org/stuff/nose.htm
Discussion among a limited group of people is not guaranteed to give
you
Well I do engage quite actively in these discussion with girls in high
school; young women in universities and women in the industry the problem
space and opportunity is multifaceted, cultural depending upon the
country--- and btw my motto:
geek c ést chic!
Monique
On 4/30/12 2:03 AM,
--On Friday, April 27, 2012 15:29 -0400 Phillip Hallam-Baker
hal...@gmail.com wrote:
55-65 (aging Cerf era grad students)
The aging Cerf era grad students and the rest of that cohort
are all over 65. I'm probably the youngest of that group who
are still visible in the IETF and am older than
Yes, the article is far from complete. But, your antecdote only goes to
show your own bias towards women in science and engineering in general. By
the time most females reach high school they have already been conditioned
that girls aren't as good as boys in math and science. There's a far
On 4/30/12 2:03 AM, Riccardo Bernardini framefri...@gmail.com wrote:
In this case the best solution (although not easy to implement) would
be to ask directly to young women: Are you interested in an ICT
carrer?, If yes, why? If no, why not?
From: Monique Morrow [mmor...@cisco.com]
Well I do
Hi Dale,
You wondered:
and btw my motto:
geek c ést chic!
What responses do you receive to your motto?
That it is spelled wrong...
BR, Huub.
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, the article is far from complete. But, your antecdote only goes to
show your own bias towards women in science and engineering in general. By
the time most females reach high school they have already been
Hi,
Please note the new version of draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-consideration
(03) that was just submitted.
In this version we attempted to satisfy the Last Call comments we got.
Diffs can be used to see the changes from version 01
On 4/30/12 7:33 AM, Riccardo Bernardini wrote:
So it seems (by this anecdotal and very limited evidence) that
[ ... ]
So it seems to me that when in possession of only anecdotal,
limited evidence that it might be a good idea to acquire more
evidence before drawing conclusions.
Melinda
Hi,
Here are a few comments to this draft.
Stephan
(1) Section 3.1, final paragraph. An IETF disclosure has to be made
against a Contribution. In the case described in this paragraph, the
Contribution may not have been made at the time of the Disclosure request,
and, therefore, it would be
On 26/04/2012 23:55, Ben Campbell wrote:
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on
Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at
http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq.
Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments
you may receive.
Document:
On Apr 30, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote:
Hi Ben
Thank you for your review.
The IANA policy is stated as IETF Review (end of first para in IANA)
Okay, I guess I just missed it.
The normative text is deliberate - this was part of the change that we needed
to make.
Then
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Section 10 about copying conditions mentions
Here is an article that does a far better job of explaining the situation
than I did:
http://www.todaysengineer.org/2011/May/women-in-engineering.asp
The largest reason women leave engineering is due to the work environment
and perceived lack of support from colleagues.
Although, the one bonus
+1
We could have a bonfire of the blue sheets as a Friday-afternoon social event.
On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:31 AM, IETF Chair wrote:
At IETF 83, we had a discussion about the future of blue sheets, many spoke
at the mic in support of the proposal. There has been very little discussion
on
From: Mary Barnes [mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com]
Here is an article that does a far better job of explaining the
situation than I did:
http://www.todaysengineer.org/2011/May/women-in-engineering.asp
The largest reason women leave engineering is due to the work
environment and perceived
My own anecdotes.
Yes, it starts early.
When I was 3 I announced that I was going to be a physicist when I grew
up. WHY?
1 - a physicist has a chair that is on WHEELS, and spins ROUND and ROUND
2 - a physicist has a blackboard with COLORED CHALK
3 (and MOST important) a physicist has a CANDY
anecdotal-data
There are fewer women, per capita, at the IETF than at my day job.
There are fewer women, per capita, at the IETF than at any of the RIR meeting I
have attended (incl. RIPE, APNIC, ARIN).
/anecdotal-data
On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Janet P Gunn wrote:
My own anecdotes.
From: Mary Barnes [mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com]
Here is an article that does a far better job of explaining the
situation than I did:
http://www.todaysengineer.org/2011/May/women-in-engineering.asp
The largest reason women leave engineering is due to the work
environment and
On Apr 30, 2012, at 2:03 AM, Riccardo Bernardini wrote:
I understand that this was the result of a high-level dialogue
(whatever that means) among few (how many?) people. This reminds me
of the the Emperor of China nose length problem
http://imaginatorium.org/stuff/nose.htm
I expected
Hi,
This subject was also raised by our AD on the codec mailing list. The
statement is about spec text copyright (with the possible exception of the
word use, which is loaded in this context, see BSD license and implicit
patent grant ambiguity). Insofar, the patent licensing statement received
This PBS interview with Harvey Mudd president Maria Klawe, on the
subject of why fewer women go into tech engineering fields, is
worth watching:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/video/blog/2012/04/college_president_discusses_wo.html
-- Cos
--On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 18:06 -0400 Eric Burger
eburge...@standardstrack.com wrote:
I would strongly support what Wes is talking about here. I
see two (other) reasons for keeping blue sheets. The first is
it is a recognized method of showing we have an open standards
process. The
One response below [MB].
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:53 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote:
At 07:41 27-04-2012, Yoav Nir wrote:
After each meeting, Ray sends out a survey to all participants. The
results from the latest one:
When were you born?
Before 19502.9%
1950 - 1960 16.6%
On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Ofer Inbar wrote:
This PBS interview with Harvey Mudd president Maria Klawe, on the
subject of why fewer women go into tech engineering fields, is
worth watching:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/video/blog/2012/04/college_president_discusses_wo.html
This is
So can we just wrap the scans in CMS under an IETF cert and call it a day?
On Apr 30, 2012, at 8:28 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
--On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 18:06 -0400 Eric Burger
eburge...@standardstrack.com wrote:
I would strongly support what Wes is talking about here. I
see two
Mary,
I have to agree. As is common, gender imbalance can be treated as a
joke only by those who
aren't affected.
For those of us without male privilege (or other types of course)
who have experienced the effects of subtle or blatant discrimination,
it is no joke.
Nor is it caused by a lack of
Lots of business records are never cryptographically signed (presumably, most
of them, actually), and they are just as valid as evidence in court, scanned or
on paper. Unless somebody can make a plausible argument that the IETF just made
them up, this seems a rather unlikely problem. If
On 05/01/2012 02:52 AM, Mary Barnes wrote:
Here is an article that does a far better job of explaining the
situation than I did:
http://www.todaysengineer.org/2011/May/women-in-engineering.asp
The largest reason women leave engineering is due to the work
environment and perceived lack of
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