Re: Failing to convince an IETF WG

2012-09-26 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Dave, and All, The beauty of the IETF is that it includes all Internet USERS (i.e.people or organisations) around the world, no one should use it in their interest, it should progress in the Internet Society/Community interest following the *open* engineering knowledge and practice. Engineers

Re: Failing to convince an IETF WG

2012-09-26 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Todd, I agree on your concerns but disagree with few issues, read my disagree reason below: Todd Most of the vetting happens between parties offlist and no capture . AB any organisation may have this behavior, but what matters is as long as you are participating to : monitoring input,

Re: Failing to convince an IETF WG

2012-09-26 Thread Rémi Després
Le 2012-09-26 à 09:52, Abdussalam Baryun a écrit : Hi Dave, and All, The beauty of the IETF is that it includes all Internet USERS (i.e.people or organisations) around the world, no one should use it in their interest, it should progress in the Internet Society/Community interest

Re: Is there: Discussions, Evaluations, Decisions, Acceptance, Progress?

2012-09-26 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I Suggest the following: 1) IF any participant disagree in I-D adoption in a WG or any other decision, THEN, he/she takes a DISCUSS position. 2) Any participant with DISCUSS position related to a subject (he/she refused)MUST have to take and reply to messages including their good reasons for

Re: Failing to convince an IETF WG

2012-09-26 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 26 Sep 2012, at 03:18, tglassey tglas...@earthlink.net wrote: The issue is how to remove the political BS which clouds so many initiatives. Disagree that this is *the* issue. We also get technical BS and even stuff that's utterly incompressible if you can believe that, S

Re: Failing to convince an IETF WG

2012-09-26 Thread Carsten Bormann
On Sep 26, 2012, at 10:55, Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote: stuff that's utterly incompressible In the header compression WG (ROHC), we had that a lot. (SCNR. I'm not sure that this thread has any other but comedy value at this point, anyway.) Grüße, Carsten

Re: Last Call: draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd-00.txt (Document Shepherding Throughout a Document's Lifecycle) to Informational RFC

2012-09-26 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Dated: 26/09/2012 By: Abdussalam Baryun (AB) This is a reply to below request call. Reviewer Related Comment: The General Area Individual input Overall the reviewer disagrees to accept the document only after

Re: Failing to convince an IETF WG

2012-09-26 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 26 Sep 2012, at 10:01, Carsten Bormann c...@tzi.org wrote: On Sep 26, 2012, at 10:55, Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote: stuff that's utterly incompressible In the header compression WG (ROHC), we had that a lot. (SCNR. I'm not sure that this thread has any other but

RE: FW: Last Call: draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd-00.txt(Document Shepherding Throughout a Document's Lifecycle) toInformational RFC

2012-09-26 Thread Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
Hi Barry, There is a disconnect between what the Last Call is asking and what you really seem to be asking as a feedback. The Last Call question is: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Document Shepherding Throughout a

Re: Failing to convince an IETF WG

2012-09-26 Thread Glen Zorn
On 09/26/2012 04:01 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: On Sep 26, 2012, at 10:55, Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote: stuff that's utterly incompressible In the header compression WG (ROHC), we had that a lot. (SCNR. Signal to Clutter plus Noise Ratio? I'm not sure that this

Re: Failing to convince an IETF WG

2012-09-26 Thread Simon Perreault
Le 2012-09-26 05:31, Stephen Farrell a écrit : stuff that's utterly incompressible Oops - let's see if the phone spell checker gets incomprehensible right this time:-) I understood incompressible as equivalent to pure random noise, and it made sense! :) Simon -- DTN made easy, lean, and

Document Action: 'Ericsson TWAMP Value-Added Octets' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-added-octets-09.txt)

2012-09-26 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Ericsson TWAMP Value-Added Octets' (draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-added-octets-09.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Wesley Eddy and Martin Stiemerling.

Protocol Action: 'Common requirements for Carrier Grade NATs (CGNs)' to Best Current Practice (draft-ietf-behave-lsn-requirements-09.txt)

2012-09-26 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Common requirements for Carrier Grade NATs (CGNs)' (draft-ietf-behave-lsn-requirements-09.txt) as Best Current Practice This document is the product of the Behavior Engineering for Hindrance Avoidance Working Group. The IESG contact persons are