Re: Recall petition for Mr. Marshall Eubanks

2012-11-02 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 01/11/2012 21:45, Sam Hartman wrote: ... > At this point, I believe the recall process is the correct process to > follow unless there is an approved BCP update. > In a case where there's been no contact and there's an argument we've > found a gap in the procedures I can see the argument for cre

RE: Recall petition for Mr. Marshall Eubanks

2012-11-02 Thread Stephen Hanna
I also, with regret, would like to add my name to the recall petition. I am NomCom eligible. Thanks, Steve

Re: Recall petition for Mr. Marshall Eubanks

2012-11-02 Thread Turchanyi Geza
Brian, I would like to express my sadness as well, adding that I am most probably not NomCom eligible. I was only 23 when one of my freinds, community activist in the students circle of the university, committed a suicide. Three years later it happened again, by one other freind of us. I feel th

Re: Recall petition for Mr. Marshall Eubanks

2012-11-02 Thread Henk Uijterwaal
On 01/11/2012 19:43, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > > On Nov 1, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Olaf Kolkman wrote: > >> I also offer my signature under the recall procedure, in case pragmatism >> doesn't prevail (see my other note). >> >> My offer of signature should in no way be interpreted as reflecting an >>

RE: Antitrust FAQ

2012-11-02 Thread David Rudin (LCA)
At a high level, I'm curious what the difference is between an FAQ and a formal policy? I ask since Section 6 of the FAQ seems to be providing instructions on how IETF participants should conduct themselves, which seems more like a policy than an FAQ. Thanks, David -Original Message-

mailing list memberships reminder -> passwords in the clear

2012-11-02 Thread Paul Aitken
Why does the "mailing list memberships reminder" send passwords in the clear? For everything else I'm subscribed to, if I forget my details, one click sends a one-time password-reset link. Passwords are never mailed out, and never shown. Thanks, P.

Re: mailing list memberships reminder -> passwords in the clear

2012-11-02 Thread John Levine
In article <5092d99f.3070...@cisco.com> you write: >Why does the "mailing list memberships reminder" send passwords in the >clear? Because that's what Mailman does. Send code. -- Regards, John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the enviro

Re: mailing list memberships reminder -> passwords in the clear

2012-11-02 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 1 Nov 2012, at 20:20, Paul Aitken wrote: > Why does the "mailing list memberships reminder" send passwords in the clear? Because mailman is brain-dead stupid. See: http://www.jwz.org/doc/mailman.html Sadly, and despite my best efforts to find alternative mailing list software, mailman wins

Re: mailing list memberships reminder -> passwords in the clear

2012-11-02 Thread Mike Brescia
Apparently no need to "send code". Mailman project claims this is fixed in development version 3 (not yet released) discussion on plain text passwords http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-July/069844.html project todo list http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Mailman+3.0 (down under

Re: [mpls] Last Call: (LabelSwitched Path (LSP) Ping for IPv6 Pseudowire FECs) toProposed Standard

2012-11-02 Thread t . p .
I worry about the allocation of sub-TLVs in this I-D. It calls for "The following Sub-TLV changes, which comprise three updates and two additions, are made for two TLV Types in the aforementioned sub- registry: TLV Type 1 for "Target FEC Stack", and TLV Type 21 for "Reply Path"." and it i

Re: I* Member Removal Process

2012-11-02 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Russ Housley > And, the community does not have rough consensus for simply declaring > his seat vacant under the current set of BCPs. Why not, I cannot fathom, because as SM has pointed out (hat tip), RFC 4333, "IAOC Member Selection Guidelines and Process", has text which i

Re: I* Member Removal Process

2012-11-02 Thread Dave Crocker
On 11/2/2012 12:09 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: >> "if the appointed member is unable to serve the full two-year term, >> the selecting body may, at its discretion, immediately select a >> replacement to serve the remainder of the term using the interim >> process defined in Sect

Re: [mpls] Last Call: (LabelSwitched Path (LSP) Ping for IPv6 Pseudowire FECs) toProposed Standard

2012-11-02 Thread Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
Tom, On Nov 2, 2012, at 2:05 PM, t.p. wrote: > I worry about the allocation of sub-TLVs in this I-D. > Thanks for the comments. I share worries about keeping synchronicity between sub-registries in this fashion. > It calls for > "The following Sub-TLV changes, which comprise three updates an

Re: I* Member Removal Process

2012-11-02 Thread Turchanyi Geza
Noel, On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > > And he's definitely "unable to serve". But I guess the IETF would rather > deploy the most onerous, heavy-weight bureacratic process it can find (one > intended for entirely different circumstances), as opposed to using the >

Re: mailing list memberships reminder -> passwords in the clear

2012-11-02 Thread John R Levine
Why does the "mailing list memberships reminder" send passwords in the clear? Because that's what Mailman does. Send code. And that's acceptable to the IETF? You're kidding me, right? I can't speak for the IETF, but I do note that the same password notices have been going out on the first o

Re: I* Member Removal Process

2012-11-02 Thread Bob Hinden
On Nov 1, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > Mike: > >> Yup. But I'd say their wishes would have a great deal of influence on >> whether or not this would go forward. And I'd still like to get at least >> some indication that this is their desired outcome at this point. I think, >> if

Re: mailing list memberships reminder -> passwords in the clear

2012-11-02 Thread John Levine
> Only majordomo2, which has been unmaintained for a while now (and >it's author calls it "Dead" holds much of a chance, but I doubt it ?would work for the IETF in its current condition. Actually, MJ2 works great, I've been using it in production for years, but I agree that we'd need to locate a p

Selection of a replacement IAOC member

2012-11-02 Thread S Moonesamy
Hello, The IAOC Chair posted a message about the IAOC appointing a replacement liaison to the IETF NomCom after learning from the NomCom chair that Marshall had not responded to emails from the NomCom chair. [1] According to BCP 113: "However, if the appointed member is unable to serve the

Re: Selection of a replacement IAOC member

2012-11-02 Thread Barry Leiba
> > it would appreciated if NomCom could determine: > > (a) Whether the appointed member is unable to serve the full two-year term > This is decidedly NOT something that any process empowers the NomCom chair to do. Matt could certainly give his opinion as an individual, but I can't see under wh

Re: Selection of a replacement IAOC member

2012-11-02 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Barry, At 17:15 02-11-2012, Barry Leiba wrote: This is decidedly NOT something that any process empowers the NomCom chair to do. Matt could certainly give his opinion as an individual, but I can't see under what process it would have any official weight. I mentioned NomCom instead of NomC

Re: Selection of a replacement IAOC member

2012-11-02 Thread Dave Crocker
On 11/2/2012 2:47 PM, S Moonesamy wrote: it would appreciated if NomCom could determine: (a) Whether the appointed member is unable to serve the full two-year term Nomcom has no authority to make that determination. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net