Re: Recall petition for Mr. Marshall Eubanks

2012-11-03 Thread John C Klensin
Russ, Thanks very much for the clarification. Olafur, Go ahead and add me to the signature list. I am Nomcom-eligible. john --On Saturday, 03 November, 2012 11:36 -0400 Russ Housley wrote: > John: > >>> I assume at this point the IAOC would like to pursue the >>> recall option? If not,

Re: Antitrust FAQ

2012-11-03 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Thu 01/Nov/2012 18:31:47 -0400 Russ Housley wrote: > A formal policy requires IETF consensus, and it would be published > as a BCP in the RFC series. Isn't that's something the IETF will have do in any case, sooner or later? AFAICU, standardization is about establishing the competition rules.

Re: mailing list memberships reminder -> passwords in the clear

2012-11-03 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 2 Nov 2012, at 21:51, John Levine wrote: >> Only majordomo2, which has been unmaintained for a while now (and >> it's author calls it "Dead" holds much of a chance, but I doubt it > ?would work for the IETF in its current condition. > > Actually, MJ2 works great, I've been using it in producti

Re: Recall petition for Mr. Marshall Eubanks

2012-11-03 Thread Turchanyi Geza
All, Many tahanks for the clarification, the situation is clear enough. On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > John: > > > At the end of our visit, I believe that Marshall understood that there > were three possibilities: > > 1) Tell the community that he intends to resume p

Re: Recall petition for Mr. Marshall Eubanks

2012-11-03 Thread Paul Hoffman
I am NomCom-eligible and I "sign" this petition. --Paul Hoffman

Re: Recall petition for Mr. Marshall Eubanks

2012-11-03 Thread Russ Housley
John: >> I assume at this point the IAOC would like to pursue the >> recall option? If not, please be very clear about it to the >> list as I haven't actually seen a request from the IAOC for >> that process to proceed as far as I can tell. > > Because I am personally very reluctant to see this

Re: mailing list memberships reminder -> passwords in the clear

2012-11-03 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Nov 2, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Paul Aitken wrote: > John, > >>> Why does the "mailing list memberships reminder" send passwords in the >>> clear? >> Because that's what Mailman does. Send code. > > And that's acceptable to the IETF? You're kidding me, right? > Because the security is compatibl

Re: mailing list memberships reminder -> passwords in the clear

2012-11-03 Thread Paul Aitken
John, I can't speak for the IETF, but I do note that the same password notices have been going out on the first of every month for years. You just noticed iit now? No, I've been getting the passwords for years. However I just finished a crypto class and really wondered what the history is h

Re: mailing list memberships reminder -> passwords in the clear

2012-11-03 Thread Paul Aitken
Sabahattin, Thanks for the detailed info. I've been getting passwords mailed to me monthly for years. Someone pointed out the disable option just yesterday. So I've selected the option, but that's hardly the point: the option should default to OFF and not be enable-able so passwords are neve

Re: mailing list memberships reminder -> passwords in the clear

2012-11-03 Thread Paul Aitken
John, Why does the "mailing list memberships reminder" send passwords in the clear? Because that's what Mailman does. Send code. And that's acceptable to the IETF? You're kidding me, right? P.

Re: [IETF] Re: mailing list memberships reminder -> passwords in the clear

2012-11-03 Thread Warren Kumari
On Nov 2, 2012, at 3:56 PM, "John R Levine" wrote: Why does the "mailing list memberships reminder" send passwords in the clear? >>> Because that's what Mailman does. Send code. >> >> And that's acceptable to the IETF? You're kidding me, right? > > I can't speak for the IETF, but I

Re: Recall petition for Mr. Marshall Eubanks

2012-11-03 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, 01 November, 2012 22:22 -0400 Michael StJohns wrote: > I assume at this point the IAOC would like to pursue the > recall option? If not, please be very clear about it to the > list as I haven't actually seen a request from the IAOC for > that process to proceed as far as I can t

Re: Recall petition for Mr. Marshall Eubanks

2012-11-03 Thread Bob Hinden
On Nov 3, 2012, at 5:39 AM, Scott O Bradner wrote: > > I have not "signed" the petition because I did not think it was proper to do > so (as a IAOC member - see Russ's message and RFC 3777) > > but, that aside, I do support the petition - I feel that the IAOC has given > Marshal > the full op

Re: Recall petition for Mr. Marshall Eubanks

2012-11-03 Thread Scott O Bradner
I have not "signed" the petition because I did not think it was proper to do so (as a IAOC member - see Russ's message and RFC 3777) but, that aside, I do support the petition - I feel that the IAOC has given Marshal the full opportunity to start participating again or to resign and he has done