Re: [apps-discuss] Gen-ART review of draft-bormann-cbor-04

2013-08-15 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Aug 13, 2013, at 13:14, Tony Finch wrote: > > > MessagePack is simpler so will need even less code > > FWIW, earlier today I had a nice afternoon with the msgpack-ruby C code, > converting it to encoding and decoding CBOR instead. > >

Re: Last Call: (URI Scheme for Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-15 Thread Harald Alvestrand
On 08/15/2013 11:04 AM, Graham Klyne wrote: Hi Harald, On 14/08/2013 19:49, Harald Alvestrand wrote: On 08/13/2013 12:14 AM, Graham Klyne wrote: [...] But, in a personal capacity, not as designated reviewer, I have to ask *why* this needs to be a URI. As far as I can tell, it is intended for

Re: Last Call: (URI Scheme for Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-15 Thread Hadriel Kaplan
I agree with Harald. Both the STUN and TURN URIs really do represent what we traditionally use URIs for: they identify a physical resource, a protocol for accessing the resource, etc. Unlike a data URL, the STUN/TURN URI is not locally/directly self-contained data - it's a resource identifier,

Re: Last Call: (URI Scheme for Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-15 Thread Hadriel Kaplan
Some comments on this STUN draft and the TURN one: 1) The ABNF in these drafts leaves no room for future extension such as adding parameters. Was that intentional? 2) Why do both of these docs repeat a lot of ABNF from RFC 3986, instead of just referencing it? It says in the appendix some AB

Re: Last Call: (URI Scheme for Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-15 Thread Harald Alvestrand
On 08/15/2013 04:05 PM, Graham Klyne wrote: > Harald, > > Briefly: > > 1. Thanks for the reference, > > and > > 2. I misunderstood what you meant by "This is a format for a piece of > data". In light of your clarification, I withdraw my comments 3 & 4. > Identification of the STUN service would a

Re: Last Call: (URI Scheme for Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 8/15/13 8:10 AM, Harald Alvestrand wrote: > On 08/15/2013 04:05 PM, Graham Klyne wrote: >> Harald, >> >> Briefly: >> >> 1. Thanks for the reference, >> >> and >> >> 2. I misunderstood what you meant by "This is a format for a piece of >> data". In light of your clarification, I withdraw my comm

Re: Last Call: (URI Scheme for Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-15 Thread Harald Alvestrand
On 08/15/2013 04:20 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 8/15/13 8:10 AM, Harald Alvestrand wrote: >> On 08/15/2013 04:05 PM, Graham Klyne wrote: >>> Harald, >>> >>> Briefly: >>> >>> 1. Thanks for the reference, >>> >>> and >>> >>> 2. I misunderstood what you meant by "This is a format for a piece of

Re: Last Call: (URI Scheme for Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-15 Thread Graham Klyne
Hi Harald, On 14/08/2013 19:49, Harald Alvestrand wrote: On 08/13/2013 12:14 AM, Graham Klyne wrote: [...] But, in a personal capacity, not as designated reviewer, I have to ask *why* this needs to be a URI. As far as I can tell, it is intended for use only in very constrained environments, w

Re: Last Call: (URI Scheme for Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-15 Thread Graham Klyne
Harald, Briefly: 1. Thanks for the reference, and 2. I misunderstood what you meant by "This is a format for a piece of data". In light of your clarification, I withdraw my comments 3 & 4. Identification of the STUN service would appear to be a perfectly reasonable use. ... So the remai

Re: Last Call: (A Reputation Query Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-15 Thread SM
At 07:41 15-08-2013, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Reputation Services WG (repute) to consider the following document: - 'A Reputation Query Protocol' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this a

Re: Last Call: (A Reputation Response Set for Email Identifiers) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-15 Thread SM
At 07:43 15-08-2013, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Reputation Services WG (repute) to consider the following document: - 'A Reputation Response Set for Email Identifiers' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits fina

Re: Last Call: (A Media Type for Reputation Interchange) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-15 Thread SM
At 07:44 15-08-2013, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Reputation Services WG (repute) to consider the following document: - 'A Media Type for Reputation Interchange' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final commen

Re: Last Call: (A Model for Reputation Reporting) to Informational RFC

2013-08-15 Thread SM
At 07:45 15-08-2013, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Reputation Services WG (repute) to consider the following document: - 'A Model for Reputation Reporting' as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on t

Re: Call for Review of draft-rfced-rfcxx00-retired, "List of Internet Official Protocol Standards: Replaced by an Online Database"

2013-08-15 Thread SM
At 11:48 14-08-2013, IAB Chair wrote: This is a call for review of "List of Internet Official Protocol Standards: Replaced by an Online Database" prior to potential approval as an IAB stream RFC. The document is available for inspection here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rfced-rfcxx

Re: Last Call: (Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR)) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-15 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi Joe, please see below. Thanks, Yaron On 2013-08-14 01:20, Joe Hildebrand wrote: (leaving a full response to the authors, and responding to a couple of points I found interesting) On 8/13/13 3:11 PM, "Yaron Sheffer" wrote: - Arrays are prefixed by the number of elements but not b

CBOR and a tag for "critical"

2013-08-15 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 15, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Yaron Sheffer wrote: >>> - One tag value you may want to consider adding is "critical" in the >>> security sense of the word, i.e., an application is required to fail if >>> it does not understand the value (probably best applied to map keys). >> >> That's also an i

Re: [karp] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-karp-crypto-key-table-08

2013-08-15 Thread Stephen Kent
David, I agree with Sam here. The key table is analogous to the SPD in 4301, but not the PAD. Another doc being developed in the KARP WG does have a "Routing Authentication Policy Database" (RAPD) that incorporates aspects of the PAD from 4301, as well as some SPD fields. Steve

Re: TCPMUX (RFC 1078) status

2013-08-15 Thread Joe Touch
On 8/10/2013 12:29 PM, Wesley Eddy wrote: On 8/10/2013 1:43 AM, Martin Sustrik wrote: Hi all, Does anyone have any idea how widely is TCPMUX (RFC 1078) protocol used? Is it the case that there are inetd daemons in TCPMUX mode running everywhere, or can it be rather considered a dead protocol?

Re: CBOR and a tag for "critical"

2013-08-15 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi Paul, I am quite sure that I fully understand the semantics of "critical" (probably erroneously), so I'm not the right person to clarify the various meanings of the word. I would appreciate a proposal. Just for the record, my "critical" means: the reader must be able to process the data i

Re: CBOR and a tag for "critical"

2013-08-15 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 15, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Yaron Sheffer wrote: > I am quite sure that I fully understand the semantics of "critical" (probably > erroneously), so I'm not the right person to clarify the various meanings of > the word. I would appreciate a proposal. > > Just for the record, my "critical" mea

Re: CBOR and a tag for "critical"

2013-08-15 Thread Yaron Sheffer
In fact I answered your question precisely when I mentioned "contained" data items (i.e., contained in the critical one). So I may be wrong but at least I'm consistent... I think the concept of criticality is powerful, even if in the past we messed it up. Thanks, Yaron On 2013-08-15

Re: CBOR and a tag for "critical"

2013-08-15 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Yaron Sheffer wrote: > Hi Paul, > > I am quite sure that I fully understand the semantics of "critical" > (probably erroneously), so I'm not the right person to clarify the various > meanings of the word. I would appreciate a proposal. > > Just for the record, my "

Re: Last Call: (Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR)) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-15 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi Paul, Sorry for the top posting. IMAP ate your mail. Responding to several remaining points: - A parser that looks for duplicates must be able to detect that {{"a":1, "b":2}:4, {"b":2, "a":1}:5} does in fact have a duplicate key, because the two internal maps (used as keys) are

Re: TCPMUX (RFC 1078) status

2013-08-15 Thread Wesley Eddy
On 8/15/2013 4:18 PM, Joe Touch wrote: > > > On 8/10/2013 12:29 PM, Wesley Eddy wrote: >> On 8/10/2013 1:43 AM, Martin Sustrik wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Does anyone have any idea how widely is TCPMUX (RFC 1078) protocol used? >>> Is it the case that there are inetd daemons in TCPMUX mode running

Re: Radical Solution for remote participants

2013-08-15 Thread Mark Nottingham
On 13/08/2013, at 11:00 AM, Douglas Otis wrote: > > 1) Ensure exact digital interfaces driving projectors are fully available > remotely. That would be fantastic, if feasible. Much simpler than sharing through software. > 2) Ensure Audio access requires an identified request via XMPP prio

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2013-08-15 Thread Thomas Narten
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Re: TCPMUX (RFC 1078) status

2013-08-15 Thread Martin Sustrik
On 15/08/13 22:18, Joe Touch wrote: Does anyone have any idea how widely is TCPMUX (RFC 1078) protocol used? Is it the case that there are inetd daemons in TCPMUX mode running everywhere, or can it be rather considered a dead protocol? Specifically, if I implement a new TCPMUX daemon how likely

Re: TCPMUX (RFC 1078) status

2013-08-15 Thread Martin Sustrik
On 16/08/13 03:23, Wesley Eddy wrote: There are semantics issues to; see draft-touch-tcp-portnames-00 for information (this is being revised for resubmission shortly, FWIW). I totally agree. In fact, in the update to the TCP roadmap [1], we added TCPMUX to the section on "Historic and Undeplo