Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to applicationdevelopers

2008-12-01 Thread Eric Klein
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 21:50, Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Yes, we all know that it is much easier to get O/S vendors to fix their billion plus lines of code and the apps vendors to fix their million plus lines of code than it is to deploy a $50 NAT box. What you are

Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to application developers

2008-11-27 Thread Eric Klein
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 15:46, Margaret Wasserman [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Nov 24, 2008, at 5:56 AM, Eric Klein wrote: We need a team made up of both sides to sit down, spell out what are the functions of NAT (using v4 as a basis) and then to see if: 1. If they are still relevant (like

Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to applicationdevelopers

2008-11-27 Thread Eric Klein
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 19:14, Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Eric, The problem here is that you assume that the IETF has decision power that can magic away NAT66. Clearly it did not for NAT44 and will not for NAT66. There is a diffrence between doing aways with NAT,

Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to applicationdevelopers

2008-11-27 Thread Eric Klein
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 19:17, Ned Freed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would NAT66 my network for the simple reason that very few endpoint devices actually tollerate a change in the IP address without at a minimum a service interruption. Since I cannot guarantee that my IPv6 address from my

Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to application developers

2008-11-24 Thread Eric Klein
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Fred Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 21, 2008, at 9:39 PM, Tony Hain wrote: The discussion today in Behave shows there is very strong peer-pressure group-think with no serious analysis of the long term implications about what is being discussed.

Re: [BEHAVE] Can we have on NAT66 discussion?

2008-11-14 Thread Eric Klein
group. This is why I am proposing a wider audience make a decission rather than having several groups making solutions without understanding the need. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mark Townsley *Sent:* Thu 11/13/2008 9:10 AM *To:* Eric Klein *Cc

Re: [BEHAVE] Can we have on NAT66 discussion?

2008-11-14 Thread Eric Klein
Hi Darrel, Comments below On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Darrel Lewis (darlewis) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments below inline with DL NAT66 is in fact a security requirement in many applications and in others it is a compliance requirement. Stampy feet protests that the idea is profane

Re: [BEHAVE] Can we have on NAT66 discussion?

2008-11-13 Thread Eric Klein
Mark, I agree with the sentiment, the problem is that the 5 different groups are doing different things that all relate back to NAT in v6 (rather than just coexistence) each under their own charter. I have had suggestions that I bring this to ietf or inter-area mailing lists for general