the
"arbitrariness" of any exceptions that have to be made and
2) making exceptions erodes the credibility of the entire process.
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Eric
--> -Original Message-
--> From: Dave Crocker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:11 PM
--> To: Gra
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--> From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:23 PM
--> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> Cc: Gray, Eric; ietf@ietf.org
--> Subject: Re: EARLY submission deadline - Fact or Fiction?
-->
--> It would seem to me that thi
Dave,
One of your comments seems to apply to the effectiveness
of having an early submission deadline. What is the point of
monkeying around with early submission deadlines when they are
not very effective anyway?
There seems to be two elements to your argument: that the
rule doe
I would find this problematic. I often submit in the "final"
form because I started in the "final" form. I have no *roff
or XML form to submit.
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--> On Behalf Of Henning Schulzrinne
--> Sent: Wednesday, Novembe
Phillip,
And, with text versions, you can either require authors to
outline the relevant changes (who really cares that page numbers
have changed from one version to the next?) - as many Working
Groups do - or you de-()roff the text and run "diff" to see what
the detailed changes were.
Sam,
I agree with you on the fact that text should stand alone.
People who think that it is not possible to describe a figure
sufficiently well enough for it to be accurately understood
without seeing it should try attending more conference calls
where they are at the wrong (as in remote)
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--> From: Stewart Bryant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:01 AM
--> To: Gray, Eric
--> Cc: ietf@ietf.org; Lars-Erik Jonsson (LU/EAB)
--> Subject: Re: Diagrams (Was RFCs should be distributed in XML)
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Yaakov,
Funny. Ha ha.
The big distinction is that very few people can read
Morse code. Can you?
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Eric
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--> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> On Behalf Of Yaakov Stein
--> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:48 AM
--> To: St
Bert,
Let me see if I understand you correctly. You think
this discussion is inappropriate for this mailing list?
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Eric
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--> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:2
Marshall,
That may be true, but it has long been the case that a
state-machine may completely and accurately be defined as a
(relatively) simple symbolic expression - requiring no figure
at all. Assuming that such an expression is included in the
normative text, then reference to an illus
along with the notion of using the
simplest common document format sufficient for the task.
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Eric
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--> From: Stewart Bryant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:30 AM
--> To: Lars-Erik Jonsson (LU/EAB)
--> Cc: Gray, Eric;
Stewart,
I suspect most people prefer reading documents that contain
diagrams, but anything that limits the complexity of a diagram -
especially for documents most often read on a computer screen - is
a feature, rather than a bug.
If a diagram is included to communicate (rather th
Andy,
So, I am confused. Are you saying we should use 802.11a because
it works better or is somehow isolated from malicious or accidental
misuse?
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Eric
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--> Sent: Sa
The problem stems (I hope) from people not knowing that they
have their PC in Ad-Hoc mode when they specify that they want
to connect to network "ietf64". So the answer should be that
"ad hoc mode with SSID = ietf".
However, people wanting to have a private ad hoc network ought
to look at the fre
Given the behavior of many IETF participants, QOS-based routing protocol
design might very well be a kindergarten exercise.
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--> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
--> Dave Crocker
--> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:09 PM
--> To:
Harald,
I would say that the pointed-to reference gives a full and
sufficient explanation of the closing of the MARID working group.
However, that is a distraction.
An interesting question in my mind is that it is possible -
in the current operating model - for one perso
Avri,
Interestingly enough, assuming there was such a separate
list - say with ISOC - how would anyone be able to know that it
exists and is the appropriate place to post such comments? Also,
how would the average IETF WG participant know to look through
the archives for such a list if the
Sam,
There can be some drawbacks to mandating that implementations must
include the "XYZ security" protocol.
For example, there may be some niche deployment opportunities with
a trust model that does not need any form of security and implementations
may be tailored for those d
: John Loughney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 5:22 AM
--> To: Gray, Eric
--> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'ietf@ietf.org'
--> Subject: Re: RE: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria -
--> Other health
--> risks
-->
-->
--> Eric,
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Harald,
The IETF has regular attendees with a variety of handicaps.
For example, in addition to wheelchair access (ramps and elevators),
some of the regular attendees are blind, hypoglycemic, diabetic, or
afflicted with any number of other handicaps.
While most of these don't have
Pekka/Henning,
My first reaction to Henning's comment was that this
would be imposing excessive requirements on the Secretariat,
or whatever other group it is that posts these notices.
However, I am starting to think that it might not be
a bad idea for to ask the contact person(s
John,
Cover it or not, I certainly hope that meeting organizers
take these things into account. Visiting some countries can
make it impossible to visit others, at least for a certain time.
For example, many Asian countries will not grant a visa to any
body who has been in Africa recently.
I agree with Dave. Currently it is very difficult to get in
on the early stages of a BoF, even if the subject of the BoF
is of critical importance to your business or job. How does
one find out - prior to attending a meeting - that a mailing
list has been setup?
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Eric
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Eric,
In an interestingly twisted sort of way, the people who come
to listen usually cause fewer delays than many of the people who
come to work.
Listeners ask questions - which can be annoying - but otherwise
does not actively block progress. Those who come to work on stuff,
n
Luca,
Thanks!
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Eric
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--> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
--> Luca Martini
--> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 1:38 PM
--> To: Gray, Eric
--> Cc: 'Harald Tveit Alvestrand'; ietf@ietf.org; p
Avri,
Perhaps a better approach would be to have a
list posted somewhere of interdicted sites - along
with an explanation of the specific reasons why
they've been interdicted.
This would both remove all ambiguities and
allow members who would like to have a site removed
from t
Voice conference calls - however done - are bound to be
better than E-Mail, just as face to face is better than
voice.
However, "I haven't been heard" phenomena are far from
unique to E-Mail and other text based communication and
can happen even with face-to-face communication. The
difference i
Anthony,
I disagree with your statement: "Most people will resort
to personal attacks very rapidly and readily once someone else
disagrees with them." At least in the current context. I feel
that this is an overly harsh charaterization of people generally
and people in the current foru
David,
I disagree that we can determine "overly insistent" by a
simple counting of postings, but I do agree that it is usually
not hard to determine when someone is being overly persistent.
It's just possible that the threshold might be higher for some
than it is for others.
You m
David,
Let's put this all in perspective. Every time I want to do
something in the IETF, someone tells me I have to join at least
one more mailing list. So I currently get more than a hundred
messages every day (usually quite a bit more than a hundred).
That doesn't even include the o
I agree fully with Margaret except that I would suggest that people
might feel that a properly augmented version of 3934 would make it
possible to make 3683 obsolete. The augmentation Margaret suggests
are probably needed, but would be just a start, given how little the
RFC currently says and how
Harald,
You realize that this is like asking people to sign
up for torture. Maybe anyone posting to _this_ list on the
subject of _this_ topic, should be auto-subscribed to your
list and required to receive mail for at least a week before
being allowed to unsubscribe. :-)
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Eric
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been
with an awareness of RFC 2434 as Thomas Narten and no less
than two current ADs have previously referred discussion to
this RFC at least a few times.
--
Eric
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--> From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> Sent: Wednesday, October 0
Harald,
The trouble is - know it or not - this "language choice"
is the result of a lot of wrangling. Your comment is a late
comer to the "party" as we have been round and round on this
as well as other issues relating to this document. What you
see now is the current negotiated positio
Ted,
One way to deal with the fact that having a fair
and impartial selection process might occasionally get
you a bad egg is to have an equally fair mechanism for
"impeaching" a member of the selected group. If I am
recalling things correctly, isn't that how the same
issue is dealt with
Chuck,
You're entitled to ask. The question is - who is entitled
to answer? :-)
--
Eric
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--> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of C
--> Wegrzyn
--> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:07 AM
--> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
--> Subject: W
Dave,
H. Someone told me once that real-time means on a
time scale such that no measurable time elapses between event
occurrences and their recognition. You have to allow either
this definition, or one similar to it, as - relativistically
speaking - "real-time" doesn't exist in anythi
Spencer,
I will make three observations regarding your question. It
may be that this will help the confusion, one way or the other.
1) I will not be suckered into a search for "prior art" on this. I
am not certain it exists, but I am certain that its existence is
not necessarily re
Philip,
Apology in advance if this seems to be removed from context,
but your statement (below) seems to have been made generally and is
not self consistent. Perhaps you could clarify it somewhat?
--- [ SNIP ] ---
-->
--> Sure the IETF can pursuade IANA not to register a code point. Bu
What, exactly, would be the point of making a non-authoritative
RFC historical?
--
EG
--> -Original Message-
--> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
--> C. M. Heard
--> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:34 PM
--> To: IETF
--> Subject: Re: Is it necessary to go t
Pekka,
While I personally am not directly involved in ATM
development any longer, Marconi develops, builds, sells
and delivers ATM equipment on an on-going basis.
I do not agree that there is anything to gain from
explaining why we do this in an RFC. We do it because we
have cus
Alexey,
There is an AFI (Address and Format Identifier) that has
been allocated to IETF/IANA for several years. The intent is the
same as for many other AFI assignments - to establish an NSAPA
number space that belongs to some specific entity to be allocated
as they see fit (subject to
Dave,
It's not all that unclear either. The "really nasty spammers"
use anonymity in at least two ways: to avoid filtering and to avoid
being billed for wasting our time, storage capacity, bandwidth and
other resources. Taking anonymity away from these people would be
the long overdue e
THE PRESENT SET OF AREA DIRECTORS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.
THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF A LONG STANDING TREND.
(Is that better, Fred?)
I support option 3). I also suspect that this is not a
case of ignoring the consensus of those attending the
meeting. Some people may feel that the best way for the
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