Re: [spfbis] Last Call: (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-26 Thread Jelte Jansen
On 08/26/2013 04:55 PM, Jelte Jansen wrote: >> >> I'd have thought that the debate here and elsewhere already documented >> that. Since it's not specific to SPF, perhaps we could do a draft on >> "overloaded TXT considered harmful" to get it into the

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-26 Thread Jelte Jansen
On 08/26/2013 04:49 PM, John R Levine wrote: > Sorry if that last one came across as dismissive. > >> Until such time, I'd personally prefer to see some explicit notion that >> the odd history of the SPF TXT record should not be seen as a precedent >> and best practice, rather than hope that this

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-26 Thread Jelte Jansen
On 08/26/2013 04:08 PM, John R Levine wrote: > > Could you point to anyone, anywhere, who has ever said that the odd > history of the SPF TXT record means that it is perfectly fine to do > something similar in the future? > Three of the four points on the list that triggered my first message in

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-26 Thread Jelte Jansen
On 08/23/2013 04:34 PM, John Levine wrote: >> >> I don't know of any (at least ones that are used in the global dns >> namespace), and I would like to still not know of any in 2033. >> > > Since we agree that the issue you're worried about has not arisen even > once in the past decade, could you c

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-23 Thread Jelte Jansen
On 08/22/2013 07:18 PM, John Levine wrote: > In article <5215cd8d.3080...@sidn.nl> you write: >> So what makes you think the above 4 points will not be a problem for the >> next protocol that comes along and needs (apex) RR data? And the one >> after that? > > SPF is ten years old now. It would b

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-22 Thread Jelte Jansen
On 08/21/2013 08:44 PM, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > > Most of the recent arguments against SPF type have come down to the following > (as far as I can tell): > a) I can not add SPF RRtype via my provisioning system into my DNS > servers > b) My firewall doesl not let SPF Records th

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-21 Thread Jelte Jansen
On 08/21/2013 03:44 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > Speaking as the SPFBIS co-chair… > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 04:55:33AM -0700, manning bill wrote: >> to see if the trend has changed (modulo PAFs observations that not all TXT >> == SPF). In the mean time, declare a suspension of >> last call to

Re: Optimizing for what? Was Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-09-07 Thread Jelte Jansen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/06/2010 09:06 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: > > People from Europe, Japan, Australia, and some other countries don't need a > visa at all to go to an IETF meeting in the US. People from China, India and > the other countries are generally backed by empl

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-07-30 Thread Jelte Jansen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/30/2010 06:53 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > > On Jul 30, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Scott Brim wrote: > >> So I can't complain about the get-togethers of any sort, just that there >> wasn't enough time for them. I would like to encourage the use of IETF >