Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 3

2010-07-09 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
Richard Shockey wrote: RS You cannot authoritatively determine a binding between a phone number and a consumer (domain) without access to the databases. The point of ViPR is that the authoritative mapping as you've defined it just isn't necessary; a forward routability check is all that is

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-sipping-overload-reqs (Requirements for Management of Overload in the Session Initiation Protocol) to Informational RFC

2008-05-23 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
I've updated the document with your suggested wording change in REQ 15. Thanks, Jonathan R. Matt Mathis wrote: Your rewording looks good. One minor suggestion for REQ 15: t hangText=REQ 15: In cases where a network element fails, is so overloaded that it cannot process messages, or cannot

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-sipping-overload-reqs (Requirements for Management of Overload in the Session Initiation Protocol) to Informational RFC

2008-05-21 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
thanks for the comments, Matt. Responses below: Matt Mathis wrote: I reviewed draft-ietf-sipping-overload-reqs-02 at the request of the transport area directors. Note that my area of expertise is TCP, congestion control and bulk data transport. I am not a SIP expert, and have not been

Re: I-D Action: draft-rosenberg-internet-wait-hourglass-00.txt

2008-02-15 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
inline: Lars Eggert wrote: On 2008-2-15, at 16:21, ext Bernard Aboba wrote: However, I would suspect that clearly specifying how SCTP and DCCP work with NAT would eventually make it possible to obtain a home NAT supporting those protocols, particularly if implementations were made available

Re: IPv6 NAT?

2008-02-15 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
inline: Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 15 feb 2008, at 20:43, Dan Wing wrote: Such 1-for-1 address rewriting does not provide the topology hiding that many people seem to like of their existing NAPT devices, nor does such 1-for-1 address rewriting obscure the number of hosts behind the

Re: I-D Action:draft-rosenberg-internet-waist-hourglass-00.txt]

2008-02-14 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: While I disagree with Jonathan's assertion that we should insert an entirely useless (for all but NAT) UDP header in front of all new protocols we design, Well, I'd hardly characterize, allowing it to work across the public Internet as a property that is

Re: I-D Action:draft-rosenberg-internet-waist-hourglass-00.txt]

2008-02-14 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
Spencer Dawkins wrote: Mind you, I'm not saying that protocols should always use a UDP shim layer. But I think the tradeoffs in favor of doing so are a bit stronger than you seem to think. This is my chance to act the naif for Valentine's Day, but ... I agree that UDP shims improve

Re: I-D Action:draft-rosenberg-internet-waist-hourglass-00.txt]

2008-02-14 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 14 feb 2008, at 21:21, Dan Wing wrote: What seems useful is a mechanism where the UDP encapsulation can be attempted and the native (non-UDP encapsulted) protocol can be attempted. I was thinking along similar lines. Notwithstanding what I said earlier,

Re: I-D Action:draft-rosenberg-internet-waist-hourglass-00.txt]

2008-02-13 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
I wrote this because of a discussion that happened during behave at the last IETF meeting in Vancouver. There was a presentation in the behave working group on NAT ALG for SCTP - when run natively over IP - and I found the entire conversation surreal. The entire problem would have been moot if

Re: I-D Action:draft-rosenberg-internet-waist-hourglass-00.txt]

2008-02-13 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
is limited (by chart) to the case where the control element is near the forwarding element. I am not worried about there being a NAT between those. So SCTP or DCCP over IP is very relevant. Yours, Joel M. Halpern Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: I wrote this because of a discussion

Jonathan Rosenberg not re-upping for IAB

2005-11-10 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
Following Patrik's lead, I wanted to let the IETF community know that I am not planning to re-up for IAB either. I've enjoyed my 2 years on the IAB, but my day job is making it increasingly difficult for me to dedicate the time IAB deserves. Thanks, Jonathan R. -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D.

Re: IMS, IM-SSF

2005-04-12 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
Questions on IMS should probably be directed towards 3gpp mailers, since that it is where it is being standardized. For SIP questions, you should direct your queries to sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu, which is where general implementation help and QA takes place. For issues related to sip

Re: Fw: Presence -Watcher clarification

2005-04-06 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
These topics are being discussed in the simple working group. I'd suggest you direct future queries there as they are likely to result in a faster response. To briefly answer your question, a SUBSCRIBE is also used to query. The Expires header field is set to zero. This tells the presence

Re: FW: Why?

2005-03-14 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
inline. Tony Hain wrote: Joel M. Halpern wrote: This discussion seems to take as a premise the view that if we define applications only on IPv6, even though they could be defined on IPv4, that this will give people a reason to use IPv6. It also seems to take as a premise that if we don't define

Re: [Sipforum-discussion] SIP INFO and RFC 2833 support?

2004-12-21 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
Let me try to clarify here. The IETF has two standards-track techniques for DTMF carriage. These are: 1. RFC 2833 2. KPML and the app interaction framework (draft-ietf-sipping-kpml, draft-ietf-sipping-app-interaction-framework). This uses a subscribe/notify model to carry user input. The

Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance Avoidance (behave) (fwd)

2004-09-20 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
inline. Michael Richardson wrote: Harald And - here I am making a real leap of faith - if the IETF Harald recommendations for NAT devices make manufacturers who Harald listen to them create NAT devices that make their customers Harald more happy, then many of these new NAT devices

Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance Avoidance (behave) (fwd)

2004-09-20 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
inline. Michael Richardson wrote: I agree with Melinda. I would very much like to be able to let the desk clerk at the hotel know that I won't be paying for their Internet service, because it wasn't RFC compliant. (I now wish that someone did get the trademark on that word, and would deny it

Re: About TRIP

2004-06-14 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
These questions are specific to the iptel group. Please direct your questions there ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and I'm sure folks will be happy to answer them. -Jonathan R. iptel co-chair jyoti wrote: Hello , Please can you tell if there has been any commercial use of TRIP anywhere in the world .

callplot tool for generating call flows

2004-03-18 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
One of the challenges in producing an Internet Draft is the creation of ASCII art call flow diagrams (aka sequence diagrams), such as those in http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3665.txt. I tend to do a lot of these in the drafts I write. To make the process easier, a colleague of mine, Dave Ladd,