Re: Photos from IETF-59

2004-03-04 Thread Randall R. Stewart (home)
Patrik Fältström wrote: You can find my photos from IETF-59 in Seoul here: http://alexandria.paf.se/ietf-59 paf Patrik: Thank's so much for the nice pictures... I too could not attend due to my travel schedule... it is almost like being there (without the jet-lag :-D) R -- Randall R.

Re: Death of the Internet - details at 11

2004-01-30 Thread Randall R. Stewart (home)
Noel: Comments in line :- Noel Chiappa wrote: From: John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course, multiple A records works, is out there, and have worked for years. But they worked better before we introduced routers (i.e., when the hosts with multiple A records really had

Re: Death of the Internet - details at 11

2004-01-30 Thread Randall R. Stewart (home)
Dave Crocker wrote: John, JJCK Of course, multiple A records works, is out there, and have JCK worked for years. But they worked better before we introduced JCK routers (i.e., when the hosts with multiple A records really had JCK interfaces on different networks). Today, it effectively JCK

Re: Death of the Internet - details at 11

2004-01-29 Thread Randall R. Stewart (home)
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 28-jan-04, at 23:47, Randall R. Stewart (home) wrote: - increased overhead compared to TCP Ok lets see. SCTP takes on average 4 more bytes per data packet then TCP. However, if the TCP implementation enables timestamps then that is not true and TCP takes more

Re: Death of the Internet - details at 11

2004-01-28 Thread Randall R. Stewart (home)
Dave: Comments in-line below.. Dave Crocker wrote: John, JCK but the only realistic solution for someone who needs high JCK reliability in that environment is multihoming, and there seems JCK to be no hope for multihoming of small-scale networks with IPv4. There is not much of a solution,

Re: Death of the Internet - details at 11

2004-01-28 Thread Randall R. Stewart (home)
John C Klensin wrote: Dave, Just to pick a small nit or three... --On Wednesday, 28 January, 2004 07:36 +0900 Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, JCK but the only realistic solution for someone who needs high JCK reliability in that environment is multihoming, and there seems JCK to

Re: Death of the Internet - details at 11

2004-01-28 Thread Randall R. Stewart (home)
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 28-jan-04, at 22:00, Randall R. Stewart (home) wrote: In other words, when there is a serious solution to multihoming -- ie, being able to preserve a connection when using more than one IP Address -- it will likely work for IPv4. Yes.. SCTP solves the problem

Re: packets of multiple users sent over the same TCP/IP session

2004-01-27 Thread Randall R. Stewart (home)
Haim: If I understand your problem correctly I would think the closest thing to this is what sigtran has done with SS7 over IP.. They use SCTP and use its stream feature to avoid head of line blocking for the various calls.. I am not sure if they put each call in its own stream or each SLS in its

Re: Death of the Internet - details at 11

2004-01-13 Thread Randall R. Stewart (home)
Paul Robinson wrote: I think if we say From the middle of next year, no more IPv4 RFCs or drafts please, then vendors and application developers will have to sit up and take notice. Remember, the protocols take between 6-36 months to be deployed for real, so what we'd actually be saying is we

Re: Spoofing and SCTP ADD-IP (was Re: Solving the right problems ...)

2003-09-16 Thread Randall R. Stewart (home)
Pekka Nikander wrote: vinton g. cerf wrote: We would also want to look very carefully at the potential spoofing opportunity that rebinding would likely introduce. Randall R. Stewart (home) wrote: This is one of the reasons the authors of ADD-IP have NOT pushed to get it done.. some more work

Re: Solving the right problems ...

2003-09-15 Thread Randall R. Stewart (home)
vinton g. cerf wrote: I am a strong proponent of trying to find a way to create a new set of end identifiers that would be insensitive to the changing of IP level addresses. It seems to me that we would find ourselves working pretty hard to tease apart the current strong binding of IP and TCP

Re: Solving the right problems ...

2003-09-15 Thread Randall R. Stewart (home)
Dave Crocker wrote: Randall, RRSh Now of course if the application wants to be aware, it can subscribe to RRSh events that let it know that it happened. That sounds remarkably like a presence service. No, what it is is a socket call you make that subscribes do address events on the socket.

Re: Solving the right problems ...

2003-09-15 Thread Randall R. Stewart (home)
Dave Crocker wrote: Randall, RRSh Now of course if the application wants to be aware, it can subscribe to RRSh events that let it know that it happened. That sounds remarkably like a presence service. No, what it is is a socket call you make that subscribes do address events on the socket.

Re: Solving the right problems ...

2003-09-15 Thread Randall R. Stewart (home)
Keith Moore wrote: Tony Hain wrote: In the ongoing saga about topology reality vs. application perception of stability, it occurs to me we are not working on the right problem. In short we have established a sacred invariant in the application / transport interface, and the demands on

Re: Solving the right problems ...

2003-09-12 Thread Randall R. Stewart (home)
Ok, A very very late response to this thread... or at least part of this thread, for some reason a while back I was knocked off of the ietf list and thus only get things cc'd to the ipng list :-0 (and yes, I could re-subscribe but... I get so much email its hard enough keeping up... sigh..) Now,