Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying MaterialExporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard

2009-07-29 Thread Richard Stallman
Many patents are filed for defensive reasons. Ie. If I don't patent it, then someone else will, and then I won't be able to use the idea I came up with. The other defensive reason is so that if company A tries to sue company B for infringing patents, then company B can threaten to

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying Material Exporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard

2009-07-29 Thread Richard Stallman
> Generally speaking, standards are useful, because they enable people to > converge what they are doing. But that ceases to be true when the use of > the standard is patented. It is better to have no standard than have a > standard that invites people into danger.

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying MaterialExporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard

2009-07-27 Thread Richard Stallman
I have never argued in favor of open source software. I am a free software activist. (See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html.) ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying Material Exporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard

2009-07-27 Thread Richard Stallman
The operative word here is uncertainty. A patent-holder creates uncertainty. How should an SDO respond? I'm not sure. I'm only sure that I don't like getting DoSed, either into dropping a standard or into not implementing it for fear of infringing. That's the nature of software

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying Material Exporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard

2009-07-23 Thread Richard Stallman
The IPR applies to Since we're talking about patents, calling them "IPR" just introduces gratuitous vagueness. Patent law and copyright law have very little in common, so lumping them together is basically a mistake. And there are a dozen other areas of laws which you're generalizing about e

Re: The Sgt at Arms Please? RE: TLS-authz "experimental" standard

2008-01-16 Thread Richard Stallman
It is best to avoid confusing the issue of patents with other unrelated laws, so let's avoid the term "intellectual property" which spreads that confusion. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.

Re: Patents can be for good, not only evil

2007-11-01 Thread Richard Stallman
In a first-to-invent regime, the law still favors one with a patent, since it gives one a cross-licensing opportunity to settle a dispute with a similar, infringed patent, even if one uses their patent only protectively. In a first-to-file regime, protective patents are absolut