Re: several messages

2008-11-13 Thread der Mouse
It _does_ mean that someone to whom email is important had better do due diligence in selecting DNSBLs - just as someone to whom a car is important had better do due diligence in selecting a mechanic [...] I agree with that. But easier still is to setup your own spam traps and run your own

Re: several messages

2008-11-12 Thread der Mouse
Furthermore, you appear to think that all DNSBLs are reactive in nature. This is not true; there are at least a few DNSBLs that proactively list large indistinguishable pool addresses. In at least one case, the pools are submitted to them by the providers that run the pools. Using such a

Re: several messages

2008-11-12 Thread der Mouse
The Spamhaus XBL and Spamhaus PBL are pretty useful in denying connections from botnets. You should try them - in the arsenal of spam-fighting tools, they are the probably most effective ones. I've heard this about Spamhaus' lists. One wonders how it is possible they are so useful and

Re: several messages

2008-11-11 Thread der Mouse
In fact, the people who use these DNSBL blacklists do so only for a short time, until they get burned and stop using them. That's what happens routinely with SORBS. If SORBS is your idea of a best-of-breed DNSBL, I can understand your scorn. But it's not. You want to see a DNSBL done right,

Re: Last Call: draft-irtf-asrg-dnsbl (DNS Blacklists and Whitelists)

2008-11-11 Thread der Mouse
The fact that [DNSBLs] are widely used is sad, not a justification for standardization. True. The justification is not simply that they are widely used; it is that they are widely used, they are often done wrong, they are of tremendous value when done right, and of actively negative value

Re: Last Call: draft-irtf-asrg-dnsbl (DNS Blacklists and Whitelists)

2008-11-10 Thread der Mouse
[Keith Moore] The fact that [DNSBLs] are widely used is sad, not a justification for standardization. True. The justification is not simply that they are widely used; it is that they are widely used, they are often done wrong, they are of tremendous value when done right, and of actively

Re: [saag] Next step on web phishing draft (draft-hartman-webauth-phishing-05.txt)

2007-09-11 Thread der Mouse
to - in the world as it is, rather than the world as you, me, and a tiny minority of other people would like it to be. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML [EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B