Re: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-rescind-3683-00.txt]

2006-08-11 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Sam Hartman wrote: Brian == Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian This is a personal draft written following some discussion Brian in the recent General Area open meeting. Comments welcome. Brian I am already aware that it needs to be reconciled with Brian

Re: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-rescind-3683-00.txt]

2006-08-11 Thread Harald Alvestrand
Sam Hartman wrote: Harald == Harald Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Harald I regard a 6-month ritual of: 1) Unsuspending Jefsey from Harald ietf-languages 2) Waiting until Jefsey discovers his Harald unsuspension 3) Wading through Jefsey posts until Harald

[Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-rescind-3683-00.txt]

2006-08-10 Thread Brian E Carpenter
This is a personal draft written following some discussion in the recent General Area open meeting. Comments welcome. I am already aware that it needs to be reconciled with http://www.ietf.org/IESG/STATEMENTS/statement-disruptive-posting.txt Brian Original Message Subject:

Re: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-rescind-3683-00.txt]

2006-08-10 Thread Frank Ellermann
Harald Alvestrand wrote: Don't throw away the umbrella because you're buying a raincoat next week. It's still raining. If the umbrella is Sam's experiment, and the raincoat Brian's draft, then the latter didn't propose to throw away the former. Are you talking about something else ? Maybe

Re: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-rescind-3683-00.txt]

2006-08-10 Thread JFC Morfin
Dear Harald, its seems that you are rewriting History (past and future) in the same funny way as before (eg. your PR-action letter). BTW I am happy to learn I am only suspended for 6 months from the obsolete [EMAIL PROTECTED] One month to go then. Look, you have used RFC 3683 to DoS me,

Re: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-rescind-3683-00.txt]

2006-08-10 Thread Harald Alvestrand
Frank Ellermann wrote: Harald Alvestrand wrote: Don't throw away the umbrella because you're buying a raincoat next week. It's still raining. If the umbrella is Sam's experiment, and the raincoat Brian's draft, then the latter didn't propose to throw away the former. Are you

Re: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-rescind-3683-00.txt]

2006-08-10 Thread Sam Hartman
Harald == Harald Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Harald I regard a 6-month ritual of: 1) Unsuspending Jefsey from Harald ietf-languages 2) Waiting until Jefsey discovers his Harald unsuspension 3) Wading through Jefsey posts until Harald everyone's sure he's still as

Re: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-rescind-3683-00.txt]

2006-08-10 Thread Sam Hartman
Brian == Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian This is a personal draft written following some discussion Brian in the recent General Area open meeting. Comments welcome. Brian I am already aware that it needs to be reconciled with Brian

Re: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-rescind-3683-00.txt]

2006-08-10 Thread Ned Freed
I regard a 6-month ritual of: 1) Unsuspending Jefsey from ietf-languages 2) Waiting until Jefsey discovers his unsuspension 3) Wading through Jefsey posts until everyone's sure he's still as incomprehensible as before 4) Convincing my then-current AD that it's time for another 6-month

RE: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-rescind-3683-00.txt]

2006-08-10 Thread Gray, Eric
: ietf@ietf.org -- Subject: Re: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-rescind-3683-00.txt] -- -- Frank Ellermann wrote: -- Harald Alvestrand wrote: -- -- -- Don't throw away the umbrella because you're buying a -- raincoat next week. It's still raining. -- -- -- If the umbrella is Sam's

Re: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-rescind-3683-00.txt]

2006-08-10 Thread Frank Ellermann
Harald Alvestrand wrote: Don't throw away the umbrella because you're buying a raincoat next week. It's still raining. 3683 = umbrella against a hail of messages Long term suspensions under draft-hartman = raincoat Brian's draft = throwing away. Oh, you prefer to keep 3683, instead of the

Re: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-rescind-3683-00.txt]

2006-08-10 Thread JFC Morfin
Frank, I was the _only_ one who was NOT concerned by Brian's proposition. I did not intend to comment it, thinking it was a good way towards appeasement. However, I was everywhere in Harald's long ad-hominem (BTW mostly against the IETF appeal procedure). His point is against me. There are