[Fwd: IETF Process discussions - next steps]

2006-08-25 Thread Brian E Carpenter
I was quite surprised to discover that this message is not in the mailing list archive, so I am repeating it. A copy certainly reached the newtrk WG prior to its closure. Original Message Subject: IETF Process discussions - next steps Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:41:47 +0200 From:

RE: [Fwd: IETF Process discussions - next steps]

2006-08-25 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
ge- > From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:17 AM > To: IETF discussion list > Subject: [Fwd: IETF Process discussions - next steps] > > I was quite surprised to discover that this message is not in > the mailing list archi

Re: [Fwd: IETF Process discussions - next steps]

2006-08-25 Thread Andy Bierman
Brian E Carpenter wrote: I was quite surprised to discover that this message is not in the mailing list archive, so I am repeating it. A copy certainly reached the newtrk WG prior to its closure. Original Message Subject: IETF Process discussions - next steps Date: Thu, 10 Aug

Re: [Fwd: IETF Process discussions - next steps]

2006-08-26 Thread Frank Ellermann
Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: > HTTP is by any rational definition a standard. It's the only RFC I've heard of with outsourced errata. It needs fixing to be published as full standard. > The obsolete version of SMTP is considered 'standard'. For the state of the actual SMTP look into your inbox

Re: [Fwd: IETF Process discussions - next steps]

2006-08-26 Thread Eliot Lear
Frank, >> HTTP is by any rational definition a standard. >> > > It's the only RFC I've heard of with outsourced errata. > It needs fixing to be published as full standard. > I don't know what this means and I would be curious as to what needs "fixing" before it becomes a full standard, bec

Re: [Fwd: IETF Process discussions - next steps]

2006-08-26 Thread Frank Ellermann
Eliot Lear wrote: > I would be curious as to what needs "fixing" before it > becomes a full standard The issues you find when you enter "2616" in the form at http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata.html That sends you to the outsourced http://purl.org/NET/http-errata > as you say for SMTP below, look

Re: [Fwd: IETF Process discussions - next steps]

2006-08-27 Thread Eliot Lear
Frank Ellermann wrote: > Eliot Lear wrote: > > >> I would be curious as to what needs "fixing" before it >> becomes a full standard >> > > The issues you find when you enter "2616" in the form at > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata.html That sends you to > the outsourced http://purl.org/NET

Re: [Fwd: IETF Process discussions - next steps]

2006-08-27 Thread Frank Ellermann
Eliot Lear wrote: > I now understand what you mean by outsourced. Sorry if that was unclear, I meant "errata not maintained by the RFC editor". > Most of these comments are truly editorial in nature, but > that happens with FULL standards as well. Agree, but while it's no full standard it would