Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor(Keying MaterialExporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS))to Proposed Standard

2009-07-30 Thread Jeffrey A. Williams
t; Cc: d...@av8.com; ietf-hon...@lists.iadl.org; t...@ietf.org; > nicolas.willi...@sun.com; ietf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying > MaterialExporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard > > > ___

RE: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying MaterialExporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard

2009-07-29 Thread Lawrence Rosen
t-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying MaterialExporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying MaterialExporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard

2009-07-29 Thread Richard Stallman
Many patents are filed for defensive reasons. Ie. If I don't patent it, then someone else will, and then I won't be able to use the idea I came up with. The other defensive reason is so that if company A tries to sue company B for infringing patents, then company B can threaten to

RE: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying MaterialExporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard

2009-07-27 Thread Wes Beebee (wbeebee)
etf.org Subject: Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying MaterialExporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard The operative word here is uncertainty. A patent-holder creates uncertainty. How should an SDO respond? I'm not sure. I'm only sure

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying MaterialExporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard

2009-07-27 Thread Jeffrey A. Williams
Richard and all, Open source software for some uses does provide for some utility. By a opposite token, open source software for other uses is an inhearent privacy and security risk for obvious reasons so indeed such also misses the point. I am in favor of any Good free software, but not a pro

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying MaterialExporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard

2009-07-27 Thread Richard Stallman
I have never argued in favor of open source software. I am a free software activist. (See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html.) ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying MaterialExporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard

2009-07-27 Thread Jeffrey A. Williams
Richard and all, I agree largely. Very little software warrents patenting. Protection of any authors software can much better and easily be done in other ways. Open source is not the total answer either as some types of software in open source format would be ill advised. Richard Stallman wr

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying MaterialExporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard

2009-07-23 Thread Jeffrey A. Williams
Nikos and all, I concur. Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: > Dean Anderson wrote: > > I think you misunderstand how patents work or what the license says. > > > > The licence is available for the case "when used with either ...". It is > > not the case that a patent only applies to specific RFCs.

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying MaterialExporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard

2009-07-23 Thread Jeffrey A. Williams
Nic and all, What is suggested here is not a reasonable solution or rational suggestion. I use ECC and was an early supporter of ECC. Our ECC product exceeds the current IETF standards track. We will continue to use ECC and improve on our ECC product as we see fit. The IPR, like FISMA, is mi

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying MaterialExporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard

2009-07-23 Thread Jeffrey A. Williams
Dean, Paul, and all, Sorry Paul but in this instance I have to agree with Dean, I didn't see anything in his previous remarks that constituted legal advice, and I DO have a law degree but do not practice law. I also agree with Deans previous remarks that the standard indeed is patent incumber