Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-19 Thread Dean Anderson
This isn't really a serious resolution. It smacks exactly of the Army's response to the red cross over abuse at Abu Graib. For months, the Army has said it responded promptly to the Red Cross' written complaints. Today, in the NY Times, it was revealed what the response was: Tell us when you a

Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-18 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
Mr. Anderson, I note that your use of the terms "infantile", "irresponsible" and "immature" are personal attacks. These are inappropriate for the IETF list. If you have serious complaints to make that you feel require you to use these terms, send them to me privately. If you want to send mail t

Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-18 Thread Dean Anderson
Sigh. Harald, Please add __Another__ complaint to the chair about inappropriate behavior by Mr. Vixie. Oh wait, could it be that lying to the general public saying our address space is hijacked is a personal attack? Hmm. Maybe they aren't as 'perfessional' as they made out to be. Maybe these

Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-18 Thread jfcm
At 01:35 18/05/04, Paul Vixie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dean Anderson) writes: > ... For the less technical, an exchange point is ... I don't think there's anyone on this list less technical than you, Dean. Thank you :-) jfc ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL P

Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-18 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dean Anderson) writes: > ... For the less technical, an exchange point is ... I don't think there's anyone on this list less technical than you, Dean. -- Paul Vixie ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www1.ietf.org/mailm

Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-17 Thread Dean Anderson
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On 2004-05-11, at 23.55, Dean Anderson wrote: > > > On Tue, 11 May 2004, Joe Abley wrote: > > > >> For the benefit of less-operational people here who don't see humour > >> in this, 198.32.1

Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-17 Thread Kurt Erik Lindqvist
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2004-05-11, at 23.55, Dean Anderson wrote: > On Tue, 11 May 2004, Joe Abley wrote: > >> For the benefit of less-operational people here who don't see humour >> in >> this, 198.32.176.0/24 is the PAIX IPv4 peering fabric in the Bay Area. > > This b

RE: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-12 Thread Richard Barr Hibbs
gt; To: John Stracke > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists > > > On Mon, 10 May 2004, John Stracke wrote: > > > Dean Anderson wrote: > > > > >It seems that WG co-chair has begun to use an > email

Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-11 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On 11. mai 2004 17:10 -0400 Joe Abley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For the benefit of less-operational people here who don't see humour in this, 198.32.176.0/24 is the PAIX IPv4 peering fabric in the Bay Area. Some of Dean's mail servers are listed on SORBS. ISC's MXes use SORBS. Perhaps we shou

RE: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-11 Thread Dean Anderson
he fuss about? Doesn't seem to involve IETF at > all > > --Barr Hibbs > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > > Of Dean Anderson > > Sent: Monday, 10 May 2004 13:24 > > To: J

Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-11 Thread Joe Abley
On 11 May 2004, at 17:55, Dean Anderson wrote: I would ignore this, but it materially mis-states ISC.ORGS involvement in SORBS. ISC.ORG __HOSTS__ www.sorbs.net on 204.152.186.189: For a more complete list of resources hosted at ISC, you might try: http://www.isc.org/ops/hosting On Tue, 11 M

Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-11 Thread Dean Anderson
I would ignore this, but it materially mis-states ISC.ORGS involvement in SORBS. ISC.ORG __HOSTS__ www.sorbs.net on 204.152.186.189: On Tue, 11 May 2004, Joe Abley wrote: > For the benefit of less-operational people here who don't see humour in > this, 198.32.176.0/24 is the PAIX IPv4 peering

Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-11 Thread Joe Abley
On 11 May 2004, at 14:02, Dean Anderson wrote: The following message indicates that EP.NET has assigned an IP address to ISC.ORG. You are quite well aware of this. Dissembling will not help you. For the benefit of less-operational people here who don't see humour in this, 198.32.176.0/24 is th

Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-11 Thread bmanning
if you are serious, please feel free to contact your legal council to persue remedies. On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Dean Anderson wrote: > I can't parse your statement. I didn't say "assignment of IP space > __impunes__ a service". Perhaps you meant to say that your assignment o

Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-11 Thread Lucy E. Lynch
DNSOP list members - A friendly reminder about the list setup: DNSOP, the Domain Name System Operations WG list. Questions about the administration of this list should be addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posts intended for the entire list should be addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you plan to p

Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-11 Thread bmanning
assignment of IP space does not impune any other service. Asserting otherwise is foolish. Pressing the point, esp. in public fora, appears to be willful ignorance. Please enjoy your blissful state. --bill On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 02:02:45PM -0400, Dean Anderso

Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-11 Thread bmanning
> but ISC.ORG doesn't want to take a complaint. Bill Manning, of EP.NET > (ISC.ORG upstream) says he has no contract with me to accept complaints > about ISC.ORG. > > --Dean Dean... you are asserting a relationship that you have no way to prove exists. Unless or un

Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-11 Thread Dean Anderson
I can't parse your statement. I didn't say "assignment of IP space __impunes__ a service". Perhaps you meant to say that your assignment of IP address space to abusers doesn't impune the rest of your services. This was the claim made by Media3 in Media3 v. MAPS. Media3 lost. But assignment of IP

Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

2004-05-11 Thread Dean Anderson
The following message indicates that EP.NET has assigned an IP address to ISC.ORG. You are quite well aware of this. Dissembling will not help you. --Dean Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:26:42 -0500 (EST) From: Dean Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject