Re: [rt.ietf.org #24364] mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org., Remove MX Records For Less Spam

2010-02-28 Thread Basil Dolmatov
+1 John C Klensin пишет: +1 Well, OK. Let me rephrase my question: why do you believe that removing the IETF's MX record will a) decrease the amount of spam it receives? b) not damage its legitimate mail flow? Based on my experience and that of other people, neither is true. R's, Joh

Re: [rt.ietf.org #24364] mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org., Remove MX Records For Less Spam

2010-02-27 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 27 Feb 2010, at 13:49, John R. Levine wrote: there is an MX. Where did you get the idea that not having an MX >>> offers protection from spambots? >> >> That's interesting, but not what I described. > > Well, OK. Let me rephrase my question: why do you believe that removing the > IETF's MX

Re: [rt.ietf.org #24364] mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org., Remove MX Records For Less Spam

2010-02-27 Thread John C Klensin
+1 --On Saturday, February 27, 2010 08:49 -0500 "John R. Levine" wrote: >>> there is an MX. Where did you get the idea that not having >>> an MX offers protection from spambots? >> >> That's interesting, but not what I described. > > Well, OK. Let me rephrase my question: why do you believe

Re: [rt.ietf.org #24364] mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org., Remove MX Records For Less Spam

2010-02-27 Thread John R. Levine
there is an MX. Where did you get the idea that not having an MX offers protection from spambots? That's interesting, but not what I described. Well, OK. Let me rephrase my question: why do you believe that removing the IETF's MX record will a) decrease the amount of spam it receives? b)

Re: [rt.ietf.org #24364] mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org., Remove MX Records For Less Spam

2010-02-27 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 26 Feb 2010, at 16:45, SM wrote: At 20:11 25-02-10, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: >> Discussion, please. See below for my take; the IETF is one host, MX is >> really meaningless, and there are benefits to avoiding a ton of spambot >> zombie spam. > > While we are on this topic, which of the fo

Re: [rt.ietf.org #24364] mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org., Remove MX Records For Less Spam

2010-02-26 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 26 Feb 2010, at 15:42, John Levine wrote: mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org., so you can remove your MX records for ietf.org. This should cut down on spam since a lot of spambots will skip over domains whose MX list cannot be obtained. Real mailers will of course fall back to A/

RE: [rt.ietf.org #24364] mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org., Remove MX Records For Less Spam

2010-02-26 Thread Michel Py
@ietf.org; postmas...@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [rt.ietf.org #24364] mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org.,Remove MX Records For Less Spam On 26 Feb 2010, at 05:19, Dean Anderson wrote: I get spam to hosts with MX records. I don't think removing MX records > will have any effect on spam. Spambots, aren

Re: [rt.ietf.org #24364] mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org., Remove MX Records For Less Spam

2010-02-26 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 26 Feb 2010, at 05:19, Dean Anderson wrote: I get spam to hosts with MX records. I don't think removing MX records > will have any effect on spam. Spambots, aren't fully autonomous agents I just transitioned my email host for a few small domains, and didn't trouble to bring along the MX recor

Re: Fwd: [rt.ietf.org #24364] mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org., Remove MX Records For Less Spam

2010-02-26 Thread Michael Loftis
--On Friday, February 26, 2010 6:49 AM + John Levine wrote: Discussion, please. See below for my take; the IETF is one host, MX is really meaningless, and there are benefits to avoiding a ton of spambot zombie spam. That's not a very good idea. I wouldn't count on zombies ignoring t

Re: Fwd: [rt.ietf.org #24364] mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org., Remove MX Records For Less Spam

2010-02-26 Thread SM
Hi Sabahattin, At 20:11 25-02-10, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Discussion, please. See below for my take; the IETF is one host, MX is really meaningless, and there are benefits to avoiding a ton of spambot zombie spam. While we are on this topic, which of the following methods would you recom

Re: Fwd: [rt.ietf.org #24364] mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org., Remove MX Records For Less Spam

2010-02-26 Thread John Levine
>>> mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org., so you can remove your MX records for >>> ietf.org. This should cut down on spam since a lot of spambots >>> will skip over domains whose MX list cannot be obtained. Real >>> mailers will of course fall back to A/ as per RFC 2821/5321. A >>> few hosts

Re: Fwd: [rt.ietf.org #24364] mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org., Remove MX Records For Less Spam

2010-02-26 Thread Dave CROCKER
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Re: Fwd: [rt.ietf.org #24364] mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org., Remove MX Records For Less Spam

2010-02-25 Thread John Levine
>Discussion, please. See below for my take; the IETF is one host, MX is really >meaningless, and there are >benefits to avoiding a ton of spambot zombie spam. That's not a very good idea. I wouldn't count on zombies ignoring the IETF, nor would I count on there not being real MTAs that will hic

Fwd: [rt.ietf.org #24364] mail.ietf.org. is ietf.org., Remove MX Records For Less Spam

2010-02-25 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
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