RE: 128 bits should be enough for everyone, was: IPv6 vs. Stupid NAT tricks: false dichotomy? (Was: Re: StupidNAT tricks and how to stop them.)

2006-03-30 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
> From: Tim Chown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I noticed that by deafult MS Vista doesn't use autoconf as > per 2462, rather it uses a 3041-like random address. See: > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/network/evaluate/ > new_network.mspx This should hardly be a surprise. The inabili

Re: 128 bits should be enough for everyone, was: IPv6 vs. Stupid NAT tricks: false dichotomy? (Was: Re: StupidNAT tricks and how to stop them.)

2006-03-30 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake "Anthony G. Atkielski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Iljitsch van Beijnum writes: However, since that time I've learned to appreciate stateless autoconfiguration and the potential usefulness of having the lower 64 bits of the IPv6 address as a place to carry some limited security information (s

Re: 128 bits should be enough for everyone, was: IPv6 vs. Stupid NAT tricks: false dichotomy? (Was: Re: StupidNAT tricks and how to stop them.)

2006-03-30 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake "Anthony G. Atkielski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Iljitsch van Beijnum writes: So how big would you like addresses to be, then? It's not how big they are, it's how they are allocated. And they are allocated very poorly, even recklessly, which is why they run out so quickly. It's true tha

Re: 128 bits should be enough for everyone, was: IPv6 vs. Stupid NAT tricks: false dichotomy? (Was: Re: StupidNAT tricks and how to stop them.)

2006-03-30 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:43:14 -0600, "Stephen Sprunk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's why 85% of the address space is reserved. The /3 we are using (and > even then only a tiny fraction thereof) will last a long, long time even > with the most pessimistic projections. If it turns out we'

Re: 128 bits should be enough for everyone, was: IPv6 vs. Stupid NAT tricks: false dichotomy? (Was: Re: StupidNAT tricks and how to stop them.)

2006-03-30 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Stephen Sprunk writes: > And sequential assignments become pointless even with 32-bit > addresses because our routing infrastructure can't possibly handle > the demands of such an allocation policy. They are pointless for the reasons you state, but they are also the only way to get 2^128 addresse

Re: 128 bits should be enough for everyone, was: IPv6 vs. Stupid NAT tricks: false dichotomy? (Was: Re: StupidNAT tricks and how to stop them.)

2006-03-30 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Stephen Sprunk writes: > An IPv4/6 address is both a routing locator and an interface identifier. And so engineers should stop saying that n bits of addressing provides 2^n addresses, because that is never true if any information is encoded into the address. In fact, as soon as any information i

Re: 128 bits should be enough for everyone, was: IPv6 vs. Stupid NAT tricks: false dichotomy? (Was: Re: StupidNAT tricks and how to stop them.)

2006-03-31 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 31-mrt-2006, at 6:11, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: You're absolutely right about the /3 business -- this was a very deliberate design decision. So, by the way, was the decision to use 128-bit, fixed-length addresses -- we really did think about this stuff, way back when. I reviewed some old I

Re: 128 bits should be enough for everyone, was: IPv6 vs. Stupid NAT tricks: false dichotomy? (Was: Re: StupidNAT tricks and how to stop them.)

2006-03-31 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 04:43 31/03/2006, Stephen Sprunk wrote: If IPv6 is supposed to last 100 years, that means we have ~12.5 years to burn through each /3, most likely using progressively stricter policies. I suppose you want to say 16,66 years (only 5 /3 are available). This is a way of seeing things. This me

RE: 128 bits should be enough for everyone, was: IPv6 vs. Stupid NAT tricks: false dichotomy? (Was: Re: StupidNAT tricks and how to stop them.)

2006-03-31 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
t: Re: 128 bits should be enough for everyone, was: > IPv6 vs. Stupid NAT tricks: false dichotomy? (Was: Re: > StupidNAT tricks and how to stop them.) > > On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:43:14 -0600, "Stephen Sprunk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > That&

Re: 128 bits should be enough for everyone, was: IPv6 vs. Stupid NAT tricks: false dichotomy? (Was: Re: StupidNAT tricks and how to stop them.)

2006-03-31 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Iljitsch van Beijnum writes: > And in reaction to other posts: there is no need to make the maximum > address length unlimited, just as long as it's pretty big, such as > ~256 bits. But there isn't much reason to not make it unlimited, as the overhead is very small, and specific implementations