On 3/26/2010 8:50 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:36:12AM -0400,
Andrew Sullivana...@shinkuro.com wrote
a message of 48 lines which said:
When you book a hotel as part of a large group like this, you are
effectively participating in a futures market.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/03/25/science/AP-US-NASA-Pricey-Snacks.html
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There is usually a spread, it almost always favors the IETF bookers.
This year the hotels offered with an RSA booking were the same as last
year with slightly lower prices. Most people book early because they
usually fill up quickly for RSA. When I booked my flight I was offered
the Hyatt Union
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Tony Hansen wrote:
Another factor is that the going IETF room rate may include other
items as part of the package. For example, in Hiroshima breakfast
was included in the IETF room rate, but not the off the shelf
rate. Other amenities will vary.
Indeed. There are also
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Lou Berger lber...@labn.net wrote:
I asked Ray about this problem in Hiroshima, his response was something
along the lines of conference rates are different and more complicated
from regular hotel rates. I have to say, I really think the community
deserves a
If you care about hotel pricing, there is no excuse for complaining
about IETF rates in a location like Anaheim with dozens of alternatives
within walking distance. Using Orbitz, several weeks ago, I got a
cheaper rate across the street in the Mariott. Could have save more
a couple miles south.
Well...
I asked Ray about this problem in Hiroshima, his response was something
along the lines of conference rates are different and more complicated
from regular hotel rates. I have to say, I really think the community
deserves a detailed response on this topic from the secretariat...
When
Having attending many standards group meetings (from many different
standards groups) over the years, I've come to realize the hotels have
an expected amount of revenue per attendee, and they'll get it any way
they can through room fees, meeting room fees, and food and beverage
costs. Push in on
On 3/23/2010 6:44 PM, Samuel Weiler wrote:
As of right now, the Best Available Rate at the Anaheim Hilton
...
As of now is a sampling methodology error.
If you want to explore disparities, you need to do it with equivalent
conditions.
You did not make your reservation as of now. You
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From: Lou Berger
Sender: ietf-boun...@ietf.org
To: Samuel Weiler
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Above market hotel room rates
Sent: Mar 23, 2010 7:36 PM
I asked Ray about this problem in Hiroshima, his response was something
along the lines of conference rates are different and more
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, David Morris wrote:
If you care about hotel pricing, there is no excuse for complaining
about IETF rates in a location like Anaheim with dozens of alternatives
within walking distance.
So far, I haven't complained (at least not on this list). I've just
provided data.
Don,
Now this is the explanation I expected to hear. I was explicitly told
that this wasn't the case for the IETF. If there is a subsidy, I think
it should be disclosed, and doing something along the lines of what the
802 does would be completely reasonable.
Lou
On 3/23/2010 11:54 PM,
went to meetings and
you can be sure I asked when making reservations.
Phil
--Original Message--
From: Lou Berger
Sender: ietf-boun...@ietf.org
To: Samuel Weiler
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Above market hotel room rates
Sent: Mar 23, 2010 7:36 PM
I asked Ray about this problem
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Samuel Weiler wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, David Morris wrote:
If you care about hotel pricing, there is no excuse for complaining
about IETF rates in a location like Anaheim with dozens of alternatives
within walking distance.
So far, I haven't complained (at least not
when making reservations.
Phil
--Original Message--
From: Lou Berger
Sender: ietf-boun...@ietf.org
To: Samuel Weiler
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Above market hotel room rates
Sent: Mar 23, 2010 7:36 PM
I asked Ray about this problem in Hiroshima, his response was something
along the lines
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 07:53:33AM -0700, Lou Berger wrote:
AMS took over. If the problem is really as you suggest, that rates go
down from the time of contract signing to when the meeting is actually
held, then this can be easily addressed in the contract. If one had
When you book a hotel
: Re: Above market hotel room rates
Sent: Mar 23, 2010 7:36 PM
I asked Ray about this problem in Hiroshima, his response was something
along the lines of conference rates are different and more complicated
from regular hotel rates. I have to say, I really think the community
deserves a detailed
joel jaeggli wrote:
It's actually pretty straight forward. hotels expect to make a certain
amount on a conference of a given size. you can either pay that in
meeting room rental, fb or room rate. if the room rate goes down the
attendance fee goes up.
It's been awhile since I was on a program
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
When you book a hotel as part of a large group like this, you are
effectively participating in a futures market. What you're asking for
is not to participate in a futures market, but for Hilton (or whatever
hotel) to agree to take all the risks and
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Dave CROCKER wrote:
As of right now, the Best Available Rate at the Anaheim Hilton
As of now is a sampling methodology error.
If you want to explore disparities, you need to do it with equivalent
conditions.
I see your point, but I disagree. A bed to sleep in tonight
There are only a few of us on this list who have put on meetings where we had
to sign contracts with hotels. Even in that small group, few if any have put on
meetings with 1000 attendees. As someone in the former group (interoperability
events with 20-100 people), in Hiltons, I can state
Sam,
On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:58 AM, Samuel Weiler wrote:
You typically don't see airline tickets drop very much in price.
Sure they do. For example, you can pay over $1000 for a business class seat
SFO-IAD on Virgin America if you book a week in advance or pay $250 over your
coach seat on
On Mar 24, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Samuel Weiler wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Dave CROCKER wrote:
As of right now, the Best Available Rate at the Anaheim Hilton
As of now is a sampling methodology error.
If you want to explore disparities, you need to do it with
equivalent conditions.
I
I need to get back to doing real work, but David perfectly captured the
tension here:
You simply can't compare block reservations done months in advance to spot
prices for individual rooms on very short notice.
... except that you can't NOT do that comparision, since you're on the hook
for
FWIW My rate in Hiroshima was both lower than the IETF rate and included
breakfast. I asked at check in if the IETF rate included anything not
included in my cheaper rate, and was told no by the hotel staff.
Lou
On 3/24/2010 8:23 AM, Tony Hansen wrote:
Another factor is that the going IETF
On Wed Mar 24 17:25:41 2010, Lou Berger wrote:
FWIW My rate in Hiroshima was both lower than the IETF rate and
included
breakfast. I asked at check in if the IETF rate included anything
not
included in my cheaper rate, and was told no by the hotel staff.
Maybe it includes a warm fuzzy
On 3/24/2010 9:18 AM, Samuel Weiler wrote:
I see your point, but I disagree. A bed to sleep in tonight is a bed to
sleep in tonight, no matter whether I booked it today or a year ago.
Then your concern is not with the hotel or with any agency of the IETF.
Your concern is with the way a
On 3/24/2010 11:08 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote:
On 3/24/2010 9:18 AM, Samuel Weiler wrote:
I see your point, but I disagree. A bed to sleep in tonight is a bed to
sleep in tonight, no matter whether I booked it today or a year ago.
Then your concern is not with the hotel or with any agency of
Hi,
I thought I should respond as the IAOC chair.
First of all, complaints and discussion about the IETF meeting costs should be
directed toward the IAOC and not toward the Secretariat. It is the IAOC who
makes the decisions on meeting venues. Our mailing list is i...@ietf.org.
As many of
I have no issue if the hotel rates subsidizes the meeting. I've been
told that this is not the case, even though it is what I/many expect. I
guess I should just accept that there is one and that there is no
transparency on this point.
Lou
On 3/24/2010 10:33 AM, Dave Cridland wrote:
On Wed Mar
Louis Berger sed:
I have no issue if the hotel rates subsidizes the meeting.
+1 within reason
In fact, I am much more likely to accept high room rates if I know they
subsisdise my favorite NFP.
I've been
told that this is not the case, even though it is what I/many expect.
I can't
Once again, we appear to be meeting in a hotel that's offering lower
rates to the general public than they're offering to us.
As of right now, the Best Available Rate at the Anaheim Hilton for
tonight, 23 March 2010, is $119. The senior rate is $113. That's
from hilton.com. With a 2 day
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Lou Berger wrote:
I have no issue if the hotel rates subsidizes the meeting. I've been
told that this is not the case, even though it is what I/many expect. I
guess I should just accept that there is one and that there is no
transparency on this point.
There is some
Once again, we appear to be meeting in a hotel that's offering lower rates to
the general public than they're offering to us.
As of right now, the Best Available Rate at the Anaheim Hilton for tonight,
23 March 2010, is $119. The senior rate is $113. That's from hilton.com.
With a 2 day
I asked Ray about this problem in Hiroshima, his response was something
along the lines of conference rates are different and more complicated
from regular hotel rates. I have to say, I really think the community
deserves a detailed response on this topic from the secretariat...
Lou
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