Re: Alternate entry document model (was: Re: IETF processes (was Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels))

2010-11-03 Thread SM
At 13:39 29-10-10, Andrew Sullivan wrote: Supppse we actually have the following problems: 1. People think that it's too hard to get to PS. (Never mind the competing anecdotes. Let's just suppose this is true.) 2. People think that PS actually ought to mean Proposed and not

Re: Alternate entry document model (was: Re: IETF processes (was Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels))

2010-10-30 Thread John C Klensin
A few quick observations... --On Friday, October 29, 2010 13:20 -0700 SM s...@resistor.net wrote: ... While my instinct is that RFC publication would be desirable, if that didn't seem workable we could move the idea a bit closer to the Snapshot idea by posting the document in the I-D series

Re: Alternate entry document model (was: Re: IETF processes (was Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels))

2010-10-30 Thread Yoav Nir
On Oct 29, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: If all of those things are right and we're actually trying to solve them all, then it seems to me that the answer is indeed to move to _n_ maturity levels of RFC, where _n_ 3 (I propose 1), but that we introduce some new document series

Alternate entry document model (was: Re: IETF processes (was Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels))

2010-10-29 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, October 28, 2010 14:15 -0400 RJ Atkinson rja.li...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 Oct 2010, at 13:29 , Dave CROCKER wrote: On 10/28/2010 9:22 AM, RJ Atkinson wrote: Most times it would be better if IETF WGs initially create an Experimental status RFC, possibly doing so quite

Re: Alternate entry document model (was: Re: IETF processes (was Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels))

2010-10-29 Thread SM
Hi John, This is a quick reply to your message. Please treat it as highly immature. At 11:23 29-10-10, John C Klensin wrote: Personally, I continue to believe that the Internet would be better served by having a lot less difference between Proposed and Experimental, by changing things (back?)

Re: Alternate entry document model (was: Re: IETF processes (was Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels))

2010-10-29 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 01:20:23PM -0700, SM wrote: It would be difficult to get buy-in if the document is not published as a RFC. Supppse we actually have the following problems: 1. People think that it's too hard to get to PS. (Never mind the competing anecdotes. Let's just

Re: Alternate entry document model (was: Re: IETF processes (was Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels))

2010-10-29 Thread Michael Richardson
Andrew == Andrew Sullivan a...@shinkuro.com writes: Andrew On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 01:20:23PM -0700, SM wrote: It would be difficult to get buy-in if the document is not published as a RFC. Andrew Supppse we actually have the following problems: Andrew 1. People