Re: Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation)

2013-08-05 Thread John C Klensin
--On Sunday, August 04, 2013 19:31 + Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: If you came to the IETF and were working for company X, registered pseudonymously, and didn't disclose IPR belonging to you or company X, and then later company X sued someone for using their IPR, you and

Re: Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation)

2013-08-04 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 3, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote: The participation in the IETF is already pseudonymous. I have a driver's license, a passport, and a national ID card, all proving that my name is indeed Yoav Nir. But I have never been asked to present any of them at the IETF.

Re: Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation)

2013-08-04 Thread Yoav Nir
On Aug 4, 2013, at 9:09 PM, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: On Aug 3, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote: The participation in the IETF is already pseudonymous. I have a driver's license, a passport, and a national ID card, all proving that my name is indeed Yoav

Re: Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation)

2013-08-04 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 4, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote: No, I use a credit card in the name of my company's head of purchasing, so not in my name. Why wouldn't that be sufficient to identify you? Is the head of purchasing going to protect your anonymity? I would never lie at

Re: Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation)

2013-08-03 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Adam, I don't agree with you. I am a remote participant (2 years and never attended meetings) in the IETF organisation, do you think that IETF is fare in treating remote participants? I think the current IETF direction is in favor of attended-meeting participants, so IMHO one reason of some

Re: Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation)

2013-08-03 Thread Olle E. Johansson
2 aug 2013 kl. 14:13 skrev Scott Brim scott.b...@gmail.com: I'm completely against participating anonymously because of IPR issues. I'm mostly against pseudonymous participation for the same reason. I need to be able to know who I'm dealing with, in order to know if there are IPR issues

Re: Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation)

2013-08-03 Thread Scott Brim
AB, saving your entire message for context ... You're fixing the wrong problem. The problem is not finding a way to cloak so some unspecified person doesn't experience abuse. It's important that we all know who we are dealing with. The problem, rather, is what is leading you to think anonymity

RE: Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation)

2013-08-03 Thread l.wood
/ From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Abdussalam Baryun [abdussalambar...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 August 2013 07:41 To: Adam Roach Cc: Olle E. Johansson; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees

Re: Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation)

2013-08-03 Thread Yoav Nir
On Aug 3, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Olle E. Johansson o...@edvina.net wrote: 2 aug 2013 kl. 14:13 skrev Scott Brim scott.b...@gmail.com: I'm completely against participating anonymously because of IPR issues. I'm mostly against pseudonymous participation for the same reason. I need to be able

Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation)

2013-08-02 Thread Adam Roach
Moving to ietf@ietf.org, since I think this is not in any way specific to Berlin. On 8/2/13 12:24, Olle E. Johansson wrote: In rtcweb we have remote participants that prefer anonymity for a number of reasons. I'm going to make a broad assumption that the number of reasons all relate to

Re: Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation)

2013-08-02 Thread Scott Brim
I'm completely against participating anonymously because of IPR issues. I'm mostly against pseudonymous participation for the same reason. I need to be able to know who I'm dealing with, in order to know if there are IPR issues that should be brought up.

Re: Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation)

2013-08-02 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 03/08/2013 00:13, Scott Brim wrote: I'm completely against participating anonymously because of IPR issues. I'm mostly against pseudonymous participation for the same reason. I need to be able to know who I'm dealing with, in order to know if there are IPR issues that should be brought

Re: Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation)

2013-08-02 Thread Lou Berger
+1. On August 2, 2013 1:13:05 PM Scott Brim scott.b...@gmail.com wrote: I'm completely against participating anonymously because of IPR issues. I'm mostly against pseudonymous participation for the same reason. I need to be able to know who I'm dealing with, in order to know if there are