Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-05 Thread Kurt Erik Lindqvist
On 3 mar 2006, at 17.58, Peter Dambier wrote: To best of my knowledge, that there are no new Chinese root- servers - despite what the press says. And at least we have not seen a drop in queries to our anycast instance in Beijing yet so there even seems to be data to support that... But

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-05 Thread Kurt Erik Lindqvist
On 3 mar 2006, at 18.15, Joe Baptista wrote: Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: To best of my knowledge, that there are no new Chinese root- servers - despite what the press says. And at least we have not seen a drop in queries to our anycast instance in Beijing yet so there even seems to be

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-05 Thread Peter Dambier
Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: On 3 mar 2006, at 18.15, Joe Baptista wrote: Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: To best of my knowledge, that there are no new Chinese root- servers - despite what the press says. And at least we have not seen a drop in queries to our anycast instance in Beijing yet

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-05 Thread Kurt Erik Lindqvist
On 5 mar 2006, at 11.11, Peter Dambier wrote: Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: On 3 mar 2006, at 18.15, Joe Baptista wrote: Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: To best of my knowledge, that there are no new Chinese root- servers - despite what the press says. And at least we have not seen a drop in

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-05 Thread John C Klensin
In the hope of closing a loop, I trust that everyone who has tried to turn this into a big deal and a huge international crisis, or has otherwise gotten worked up about it, has seen the statement in Friday's _People's Daily_. For those who have not, I recommend a quick reading of

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-05 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
Dear John, thank you to make the point. At 17:35 05/03/2006, John C Klensin wrote: There are no independent root-servers in China, or at least none that anyone official is willing to claim. This IS the point. There is no independent root-servers. The other point is: there is no change for

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-05 Thread Mark Andrews
Dear John, thank you to make the point. At 17:35 05/03/2006, John C Klensin wrote: There are no independent root-servers in China, or at least none that anyone official is willing to claim. This IS the point. There is no independent root-servers. The other point is: there is no change

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-05 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Facility Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 20:02:01 -0500 Para: Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: IETF ietf@ietf.org Asunto: Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: There is nothing to do

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-03 Thread Mohsen BANAN
On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 22:26:59 +0800, Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Stephane On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 12:26:23AM -0800, Stephane Jefsey Morfin, disguised as Mohsen BANAN Stephane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Stephane a message of 551 lines which said: Hello Stephane

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-03 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 05:36 03/03/2006, Mark Andrews wrote: They are still a problem whether you think they should exist or not. The problem is that they are added unilaterally and people using them expect everyone else to be able to resolve them as well. The method of adding them

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-03 Thread Kurt Erik Lindqvist
On 2 mar 2006, at 09.26, Mohsen BANAN wrote: More than 5 years ago I predicted what the Chinese government announced today. What happened today: http://english.people.com.cn/200602/28/eng20060228_246712.html http://www.interfax.cn/showfeature.asp?aid=10411slug=INTERNET-

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-03 Thread Peter Dambier
Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: On 2 mar 2006, at 09.26, Mohsen BANAN wrote: More than 5 years ago I predicted what the Chinese government announced today. What happened today: http://english.people.com.cn/200602/28/eng20060228_246712.html

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-03 Thread Joe Baptista
Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: To best of my knowledge, that there are no new Chinese root-servers - despite what the press says. And at least we have not seen a drop in queries to our anycast instance in Beijing yet so there even seems to be data to support that... There are. Check Peter

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-03 Thread Joe Baptista
Mark Andrews wrote: They are still a problem whether you think they should exist or not. The problem is that they are added unilaterally and people using them expect everyone else to be able to resolve them as well. The method of adding them was wrong

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-03 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
Peter, you can call them root servers, but actually they are servers listed in the NTIA root. So they are TLD servers used as by the ISP as root servers. This only seem to mean that the concept of root is not used. This is a TLD forest. Experimentation we carried with dot-root made us to

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-03 Thread Joe Baptista
Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: There is nothing to do for the IETF or the Internet technical community (whatever it is). The problem is 100 % political and should be addressed in ICANN / WSIS / IGF / whatever but not in the IETF. Good Lord - your spewing the crapola far and wide today. Like I

Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-02 Thread Mohsen BANAN
More than 5 years ago I predicted what the Chinese government announced today. What happened today: http://english.people.com.cn/200602/28/eng20060228_246712.html http://www.interfax.cn/showfeature.asp?aid=10411slug=INTERNET-POLICY-MII-DOMAIN%20NAME-DNS

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-02 Thread Joe Baptista
Mohsen BANAN wrote: More than 5 years ago I predicted what the Chinese government announced today. This action by the chinese was done three years ago. This is not a new event. regards joe What happened today: http://english.people.com.cn/200602/28/eng20060228_246712.html

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-02 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 12:26:23AM -0800, Jefsey Morfin, disguised as Mohsen BANAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 551 lines which said: The Internet technical community is now given a unique opportunity There is nothing to do for the IETF or the Internet technical community (whatever it

Re: Beyond China's independent root-servers -- Expanding and Fixing Domain Notation

2006-03-02 Thread Mark Andrews
Mohsen, it seems that Stephane tested the Chinese open root too much and meets some naming problems. Or that Stephane wants you, and others may-be, to be PR-defamacted one shot with me. jfc PS. I note his technical evaluation that The problem is 100 % political and should be