Re: Context specific semantics was Re: uncooperative DNSBLs, was several messages

2008-11-14 Thread Tony Finch
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Ted Hardie wrote: That's an example in which an A record in this zone has the standard DNS meaning and the expectation is that you can use it construct a URI. The other A records have a specific meaning in which the data returned indicates that indicates something about

Re: Context specific semantics was Re: uncooperative DNSBLs, was several messages

2008-11-14 Thread John Levine
The whole approach here is An A record in this zone has a meaning different from the meaning in other zones. That creates a DNS context for the RRTYPE based on the zone of the query, which is not what the DNS currently uses for disambiguating the types of requests/responses. Didn't that plan go

RE: Context specific semantics was Re: uncooperative DNSBLs, was several messages

2008-11-14 Thread Hardie, Ted
From: Tony Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:11 AM To: Hardie, Ted Cc: Andrew Sullivan; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Context specific semantics was Re: uncooperative DNSBLs, was several

RE: Context specific semantics was Re: uncooperative DNSBLs, was several messages

2008-11-14 Thread Tony Finch
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008, Hardie, Ted wrote: Since you now have two different meanings for what an A record is, you now need two different code trees that understand what A records are, and those code trees are not interoperable. What do you mean by interoperable here? What would it mean for DNSBL

Re: Context specific semantics was Re: uncooperative DNSBLs, was several messages

2008-11-14 Thread Ted Hardie
At 5:06 AM -0800 11/14/08, John Levine wrote: The whole approach here is An A record in this zone has a meaning different from the meaning in other zones. That creates a DNS context for the RRTYPE based on the zone of the query, which is not what the DNS currently uses for disambiguating the

RE: Context specific semantics was Re: uncooperative DNSBLs, was several messages

2008-11-14 Thread Ted Hardie
At 8:17 AM -0800 11/14/08, Tony Finch wrote: Note that I'm not arguing against a new RR type, I'm just trying to understand the arguments against the de facto standard. One significant advantage which I have not seen clearly articulated is that a new RR type could combine the functions that are

Re: Context specific semantics was Re: uncooperative DNSBLs, was several messages

2008-11-14 Thread John L
context for the RRTYPE based on the zone of the query, which is not what the DNS currently uses for disambiguating the types of requests/responses. Didn't that plan go out the window in 1996 with RFC 2052? Sorry, what about SRV made RRTYPE not significant? Sorry to be dense, but I don't

Re: Context specific semantics was Re: uncooperative DNSBLs, was several messages

2008-11-14 Thread Ted Hardie
At 10:56 AM -0800 11/14/08, John L wrote: Sorry, what about SRV made RRTYPE not significant? Sorry to be dense, but I don't understand your point here. A SRV record with _tcp in its name means something different from a SRV query with _udp in its name. I suppose you could argue that's

Re: Context specific semantics was Re: uncooperative DNSBLs, was several messages

2008-11-14 Thread Douglas Otis
On Nov 14, 2008, at 1:38 PM, Ted Hardie wrote: If we are documenting practice and nothing more, then the publication stream can move to informational and text can be added on why a new RR, which would normally be expected here, is not being used (essentially, inertia in the face of 15

Re: Context specific semantics was Re: uncooperative DNSBLs, was several messages

2008-11-14 Thread Theodore Tso
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 01:38:54PM -0800, Ted Hardie wrote: If we are documenting practice and nothing more, then the publication stream can move to informational and text can be added on why a new RR, which would normally be expected here, is not being used (essentially, inertia in the face

Re: Context specific semantics was Re: uncooperative DNSBLs, was several messages

2008-11-14 Thread John L
Seriously, it's not obvious to me that it's *impossible* to change. Of course it's not impossible. But the question is whether the benefit from the change is large enough that the people who'd have to write the software will do so. IPv4 DNSBLs have been working just dandy with A records

Context specific semantics was Re: uncooperative DNSBLs, was several messages

2008-11-13 Thread Ted Hardie
At 11:23 AM -0800 11/13/08, Tony Finch wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Ted Hardie wrote: Thanks for the pointer. I had missed this technical comment in the crowd, and I think it is very important indeed. By re-using RRs with context-specific semantics, the proposal does serious harm to