Stepping back a few days...
Scott W Brim wrote:
The reason we have the deadline is to protect the Secretariat from
having to be heroes. However, best would be if the need for such
protection didn't arise.
Instead of assuming that things to be discussed in the meetings will
be written just
The reason we have the deadline is to protect the Secretariat from
having to be heroes. However, best would be if the need for such
protection didn't arise.
Instead of assuming that things to be discussed in the meetings will
be written just before the meeting, and creating complexity and
-- To: Joel M. Halpern; Gray, Eric
-- Cc: ietf@ietf.org
-- Subject: Re: EARLY submission deadline - Fact or Fiction?
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-- The reason we have the deadline is to protect the Secretariat from
-- having to be heroes. However, best would be if the need for such
-- protection didn't arise.
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-- Instead
On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 10:07:27AM -0500, Gray, Eric allegedly wrote:
Making your - admittedly optimistic - assumption and following
it to a conclusion leads me to suspect that many (possibly most) WG
meetings would likely be subject to last-minute cancellation if all
remaining issues are
AM
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-- Subject: Re: EARLY submission deadline - Fact or Fiction?
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-- On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 10:07:27AM -0500, Gray, Eric allegedly wrote:
--Making your - admittedly optimistic - assumption and following
-- it to a conclusion leads me to suspect that many
-- (possibly most
Dave,
One of your comments seems to apply to the effectiveness
of having an early submission deadline. What is the point of
monkeying around with early submission deadlines when they are
not very effective anyway?
There seems to be two elements to your argument: that the
rule
Eric,
One of your comments seems to apply to the effectiveness
of having an early submission deadline. What is the point of
monkeying around with early submission deadlines when they are
not very effective anyway?
1. They add administrative hassle to working groups.
2. They lead to
It would seem to me that this could be pushed to a degree onto the
AD's -
late submissions (up to the point allowed by the machinery) would be
accepted on the request
of the WG Chair and the concurrence of one of the WG AD's.
I have certainly seen cases where such flexibility would have
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-- From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:23 PM
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-- Subject: Re: EARLY submission deadline - Fact or Fiction?
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-- It would seem to me that this could be pushed to a degree onto
deadline - Fact or Fiction?
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-- Eric,
--
--One of your comments seems to apply to the effectiveness
-- of having an early submission deadline. What is the point of
-- monkeying around with early submission deadlines when they are
-- not very effective anyway?
--
-- 1. They add administrative
1) Allow the Secretariat time to post all on-time submissions;
As I recall, this was the primary reason for originally imposing the limit.
That is why I explicitly stated the requirement that automated I-D
processing be supported.
2) Allow for some time to read the IDs
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-- From: Dave Crocker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:30 PM
-- To: Gray, Eric
-- Cc: ietf@ietf.org
-- Subject: Re: EARLY submission deadline - Fact or Fiction?
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--1) Allow the Secretariat time to post all on-time submissions;
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-- As I recall
On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 10:10:39AM -0800, Dave Crocker wrote:
If I understand correctly, you want to retain a deadline, but give the wg
chair authority to override it. This certainly is reasonable, but I think
it is not practical because it adds administrative overhead (and probably
delay)
If I understand the two choices you present are:
1) the wg has to decide to overrule a default deadline;
2) the wg has to decide on all of its own deadlines.
It seems to me (granted I have limited experience) that the administrative
overhead is actually higher in the second case
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-- If I understand the two choices you present are:
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-- 1) the wg has to decide to overrule a default
There is an aspect of the deadline that is helpful for me, even when the
deadline is not rigidly enforced.
The presence of the deadline means that the bulk of I-Ds are in by the
deadline, and are out by not too long after the deadline. This means that
I can collect announcements for I-Ds of
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-- On Behalf Of Joel M. Halpern
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-- There is an aspect of the deadline that is helpful
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