Date: 2005-01-02 21:56
From: Glen Zorn \(gwz\) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bruce Lilly supposedly scribbled:
OTOH, it's probably a
beneficial side-effect considering the criticism that another
organization whose abbreviated name also begins with I has
attracted due to its choice of balmy,
Dassa wrote:
| -What kind of city with a population of 75,000 has hotel
| accommodations for 2000 people unless it's a tourist Mecca
| and likely expensive and overbooked?
A lot of regional centres are geared to large numbers of tourists/visitors.
As for expensive and overbooked, I find most large
At 05:39 04/01/2005, Franck Martin wrote:
Don't forget also: It is FULL of French!
And very upset Frenchies if the IESG accepts the
Draft-Phillips-language-08/9.txt as a standard to be. I suppose there could
be a premiere: street riots opposing an IETF meetings :-) This would
warm-up the
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| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| On Behalf Of Mark Prior
| Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:22 AM
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Cc: 'IETF Discussion'
| Subject: Re: Excellent choice for summer meeting location!
|
| Dassa wrote:
|
| | -What kind
Thus spakeDassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| -What kind of small city of such population has a large
| corporation willing to sponsor an IETF event?
| -How does making a big event take place in a small town help
| attendance?
Large corporations also deal with the regional cities, PR coverage
would
Comments inline as appropriate.
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| Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:33 AM
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'John C Klensin';
| 'IETF Discussion'
| Subject: Re: Excellent choice for summer meeting location
On 4-jan-05, at 19:33, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
A sponsor might find that hotels and meeting rooms may be cheaper in a
smaller city, but that has to be balanced against the cost of
attendees'
flights, availability of venues, and other suitability factors.
It would be interesting to see a breakdown
Dassa wrote:
Actually I find it hard to understand Adelaide having issues with
accommadation unless there was another major event at the same time. How
does it cope with motor sport events, they used to hold some there didn't
they?
Hotels don't like blocking all of their rooms to one event so you
ext Glen Zorn (gwz) wrote:
Ha Ha. You (and others) have made the point quite well that the
majority of IETFers are probably hardy enough to suffer through the
week without actually dying. So what? The real question is why we
must suffer at all (I'm actually rather surprised that Phoenix has
not
--On lørdag, januar 01, 2005 18:20:02 -0800 Glen Zorn (gwz)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ha Ha. You (and others) have made the point quite well that the
majority of IETFers are probably hardy enough to suffer through the
week without actually dying. So what? The real question is why we
must
'
| Subject: Re: Excellent choice for summer meeting location!
|
| Shrug I've always liked Minneapolis, myself. I've
| always considered it a great place for an IETF meeting.
Australia isn't bad in August :). Perhaps some thought could
be given to holding some meetings in more regional
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Uh - how is Paris going to be physically dangerous. Are there
terrorists planning on blowing up a tower, I really don't think a few
warm days count as physically dangerous to most of the crowd I see
at IETF meetings...
This morning on radio - announce a trial of a very
Elwyn Davies wrote:
Oh, and BTW I can go there on an (air-conditioned) train in only 3 hours.
The USA should invest in a few high speed trains.. they are the world's
best way to travel.
There's a slightly bigger pond between the U.S. and France...
Eliot
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| On Behalf Of John C Klensin
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| Subject: RE: Excellent choice for summer meeting location!
| Dassa,
|
| For better or worse, we've
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
So what I can say is that I'm very happy that Paris is hosting this meeting
and hope that some time Madrid has a similar opportunity,
Oh, ok, yes, IETF, but where will the _Games_ be hosted? :-)
Alex
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ietf@ietf.org Objet : Excellent choice for summer meeting
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Paris in August:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-09-25-france-heat_x.htm
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De: HIDEGA TIKU Lea RD-TCH-ISS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fecha: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:06:34 +0100
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ietf@ietf.org
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], HIDEGA TIKU Lea
RD-TCH-ISS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: RE: Excellent choice for summer meeting
HIDEGA TIKU Lea RD-TCH-ISS wrote:
France Telecom, the host for the 63rd IETF August 2005 meeting, is
paying for the rental of the venue and provides the network.
Please, where is the venue planned, if this information can be shared?
Is it in the 75 or outside?
Please don't take apparently harsh
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Dassa
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 12:55 PM
To: 'John C Klensin'; 'IETF Discussion'
Subject: RE: Excellent choice for summer meeting location!
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| On Behalf Of John C Klensin
Couple of questions:
-What kind of city with a population of 75,000 has hotel accommodations for
2000 people unless it's a tourist Mecca and likely expensive and overbooked?
-What kind of mass transit does your typical city of that size have? On that
note, what kind of car rental capacity is it
Glen rants:
Are you then claiming that there is _nowhere_ in France that a) is
capable of hosting a meeting with the IETF's requirements and b) the
weather is more pleasant? =20
how about Paris?
http://www.paris.org/Accueil/Climate/gifs/paris.climate.temp.html
seems like the news story
Don't forget also: It is FULL of French!
On serious note: go in the Alps. The ski stations are nearly empty (no
snow), they have huge capacity (some were Winter Olympic places), the
weather is quite good and the scenery is breath taking.
Cheers
Scott Bradner wrote:
Glen rants:
Franck Martin wrote:
On serious note: go in the Alps. The ski stations are nearly empty (no
snow), they have huge capacity (some were Winter Olympic places), the
weather is quite good and the scenery is breath taking.
Might I suggest that you find a suitable venue and a sponsor that can
provide
On 2-jan-05, at 3:20, Glen Zorn ((gwz)) wrote:
Of course, the MAXIMUM temperatures quoted in the *exceptional* Paris
summer of 2003 were 104 degrees Fahrenheit;
2003 was, indeed, exceptional. OTOH, it is hardly exceptional that
everyone who can leave the city in August, does. This is no doubt
Date: 2005-01-01 21:20
From: Glen Zorn \(gwz\) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, I did (though I admit I see little humor is the story).
However, my main point was not so much that we would die in droves
(or at all); more to the point is the question of why we seem to go
out of our way to find
]; 'Harald Tveit Alvestrand'; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Excellent choice for summer meeting location!
At 03:20 02/01/2005, Glen Zorn \(gwz\) wrote:
2003 was, indeed, exceptional. OTOH, it is hardly exceptional that
everyone who can leave the city in August, does. This is no doubt
because
Iljitsch van Beijnum mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] supposedly
scribbled:
On 2-jan-05, at 3:20, Glen Zorn ((gwz)) wrote:
Of course, the MAXIMUM temperatures quoted in the *exceptional*
Paris summer of 2003 were 104 degrees Fahrenheit;
2003 was, indeed, exceptional. OTOH, it is hardly
This is indeed a bizarre thread..
As a near neighbour (UK), I can tell you that 2003 was indeed exceptional
across most of Europe. My home area north east of London was reduced to a
desert by the end of August, and there were some accelerated deaths due to
heat exhaustion.
Things reverted to
On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 10:33:37AM -0800, Glen Zorn (gwz) wrote:
BTW, how much worse are the Minneapolis temperatures in march vs
those in november?
Let's not go there: for some reason the powers-that-be have decided
that it's a great idea to gather at least once if not twice a year
in a
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| On Behalf Of Theodore Ts'o
| Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:20 AM
| To: Glen Zorn (gwz)
| Cc: 'Iljitsch van Beijnum'; 'IETF Discussion'
| Subject: Re: Excellent choice for summer meeting location!
|
| Shrug
Bruce Lilly supposedly scribbled:
Date: 2005-01-01 21:20
From: Glen Zorn \(gwz\) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, I did (though I admit I see little humor is the story).
However, my main point was not so much that we would die in droves
(or at all); more to the point is the question of why we
IETF destinations are always an interesting discussion,
I know this thread is going to generate a lot of fun :-)
We have already brought up points about heat waves,
terrorists, CO2 emissions, wine, and relative city
violence rates. I'm looking forward to the rest of
this thread...
But I wanted to
From: Jari Arkko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
First, I tend to find tourists and MFLD rather harmless.
In fact, I think they are good for our financing. Some
might say necessary. And they usually stay out of the mike,
don't disturb presentations, and don't comment on the mailing
list where the real
Boy, what a bunch of wimps! Paris in the summer is not life-threatening,
unless possibly you're an elderly shut-in in a fourth-floor walkup without
air conditioning during last summer's heat wave; if you want
life-threatening, I suggest a trip to any of the affected areas on the
Indian Ocean
--On 30. desember 2004 22:05 -0800 Glen Zorn (gwz) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paris in August:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-09-25-france-heat_x.htm
at first I just smiled at this, then I realized that the poster apparently
meant this seriously...
Of course, the MAXIMUM
Harald Tveit Alvestrand supposedly scribbled:
--On 30. desember 2004 22:05 -0800 Glen Zorn (gwz)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Paris in August:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-09-25-france-heat_x.htm
at first I just smiled at this, then I realized that the poster
apparently meant
At 03:20 02/01/2005, Glen Zorn \(gwz\) wrote:
2003 was, indeed, exceptional. OTOH, it is hardly exceptional that
everyone who can leave the city in August, does. This is no doubt
because it is just so damn pleasant they can't stand it, right?
They now build a true beach on the Seine river -
It's a start at balancing out all the Minneapolis-in-winter meetings
we have had.
--Paul Hoffman, Director
--VPN Consortium
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It's a start at balancing out all the Minneapolis-in-winter meetings we
have had.
the part of mrose's little black book that made me laugh out loud was the
description of MFLD (Many Fine Lunches and Dinners). minneapolis has a
good airport, good transport from the airport to the venue, and a
Paul Hoffman / VPNC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] supposedly
scribbled:
It's a start at balancing out all the Minneapolis-in-winter
meetings
we have had.
Interesting. I would have thought that to balance unpleasant, one
would choose pleasant (or at least tolerable), but not hideous
or deadly.
Paul Vixie supposedly scribbled:
It's a start at balancing out all the Minneapolis-in-winter
meetings
we have had.
the part of mrose's little black book that made me laugh out
loud
was the description of MFLD (Many Fine Lunches and Dinners).
minneapolis has a good airport, good transport
this must be a long holiday weekend or something.
The hotel absolutely sucks, thanks, so much so that I, for one, have
sworn _never_ to stay there again.
and we will all, of course, miss you very much.
Your concern over the travel budgets of others is touching (if a
little creepy).
let 'em
Paul Vixie supposedly scribbled:
this must be a long holiday weekend or something.
Apparently only in the rest of the world.
The hotel absolutely sucks, thanks, so much so that I, for one,
have
sworn _never_ to stay there again.
and we will all, of course, miss you very much.
Don't
On Fri, 2004-12-31 at 12:39, Glen Zorn (gwz) wrote:
let's keep going to minneapolis for as long as they'll tolerate
us,
and let's try to find summertime destinations that are equally
appalling to the MFLD community. paris, in that regard, should be
OFF the table.
Don't worry, O
Uh - how is Paris going to be physically dangerous. Are there
terrorists planning on blowing up a tower, I really don't think a few
warm days count as physically dangerous to most of the crowd I see at
IETF meetings...
Not to sound alarmist or anything, but there is actually quite a history
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004, Christian Huitema wrote:
Uh - how is Paris going to be physically dangerous. Are there
terrorists planning on blowing up a tower, I really don't think a few
warm days count as physically dangerous to most of the crowd I see at
IETF meetings...
Not to sound alarmist or
Paris in August:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-09-25-france-heat_x.htm
~gwz
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