RE: FWIW: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns-07.txt to Proposed Standard

2009-02-11 Thread Pasi.Eronen
Simon Josefsson wrote: My reading of RedPhone's IPR disclosure 1026 is that they claim to have a patent application about a larger system that includes tls-authz as one part, and uses it in particular way. If you want to build a system matching the numbered list 1..4 in the disclosure

RE: FWIW: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns-07.txt to Proposed Standard

2009-02-10 Thread Powers Chuck-RXCP20
-housley-tls-authz-extns-07.txt to Proposed Standard FWIW (and it would be good if other actual IETF participants care to indicate +1 if they agree): The actual words in RedPhone's current disclosure: RedPhone Security hereby asserts that the techniques for sending and receiving

Re: FWIW: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns-07.txt to Proposed Standard

2009-02-10 Thread Simon Josefsson
Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com writes: FWIW (and it would be good if other actual IETF participants care to indicate +1 if they agree): The actual words in RedPhone's current disclosure: RedPhone Security hereby asserts that the techniques for sending and receiving

RE: FWIW: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns-07.txt to Proposed Standard

2009-02-10 Thread Pasi.Eronen
Simon Josefsson wrote: I disagree. The IETF policies around patents mention use as well as implementation. Thus, a license that permit implementation but not permitting use should generate similar scrutiny and discussion. It poses the same problem for actual users. I strongly disagree

Re: FWIW: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns-07.txt to Proposed Standard

2009-02-10 Thread Thierry Moreau
I agree with Brian and Marshall, but let me introduce a different perspective on the issue. Marshall Eubanks wrote: [...] I don't see any sensible way you get from the [Brian interprtetation] to the [FSF interpretation]. Maybe it's a matter of ideological objection to patents.

Re: FWIW: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns-07.txt to Proposed Standard

2009-02-10 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Tim, On 2009-02-10 18:32, Tim Bray wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW (and it would be good if other actual IETF participants care to indicate +1 if they agree): The actual words in RedPhone's current disclosure: RedPhone

FWIW: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns-07.txt to Proposed Standard

2009-02-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
FWIW (and it would be good if other actual IETF participants care to indicate +1 if they agree): The actual words in RedPhone's current disclosure: RedPhone Security hereby asserts that the techniques for sending and receiving authorizations defined in TLS Authorizations Extensions (version

Re: FWIW: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns-07.txt to Proposed Standard

2009-02-09 Thread Tim Bray
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW (and it would be good if other actual IETF participants care to indicate +1 if they agree): The actual words in RedPhone's current disclosure: RedPhone Security hereby asserts that the techniques for

Re: FWIW: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns-07.txt to Proposed Standard

2009-02-09 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Dear Brian; On Feb 9, 2009, at 8:50 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: FWIW (and it would be good if other actual IETF participants care to indicate +1 if they agree): FWIW I read the IPR statement and couldn't figure out what the recent posters were talking about either. Hunting around, I