Firing the IAOC (Re: Consensus search: #725 3.4b Appealing decisions)

2005-01-17 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
John, I think this one warrants a separate thread.. --On 13. januar 2005 10:06 -0500 John C Klensin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think this is acceptable given that we *also* have a recall procedure. In other words, if the IAOC isn't responsive to a clear message from a review that "you screwed

Re: Firing the IAOC (Re: Consensus search: #725 3.4b Appealing decisions)

2005-01-17 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, January 17, 2005 2:34 PM +0100 Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... The one thing that I agree sticks out is that the language of 3777 talks about firing *one* person - in the case where the group is dysfunctional, it may be better to take the group out, as you say

Re: Firing the IAOC (Re: Consensus search: #725 3.4b Appealing decisions)

2005-01-17 Thread Carl Malamud
> The one thing that I agree sticks out is that the language of 3777 talks > about firing *one* person - in the case where the group is dysfunctional, > it may be better to take the group out, as you say. > I think if there is enough momentum to engage in these procedures, it won't be hard to t

Re: Firing the IAOC (Re: Consensus search: #725 3.4b Appealing decisions)

2005-01-17 Thread Sam Hartman
> "John" == John C Klensin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John> --On Monday, January 17, 2005 2:34 PM +0100 Harald Tveit John> Alvestrand John> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ... The one thing that I agree sticks out is that the language >> of 3777 talks about firing *one* pe

Re: Firing the IAOC (Re: Consensus search: #725 3.4b Appealing decisions)

2005-01-18 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Carl Malamud wrote: The one thing that I agree sticks out is that the language of 3777 talks about firing *one* person - in the case where the group is dysfunctional, it may be better to take the group out, as you say. I think if there is enough momentum to engage in these procedures, it won't

Re: Firing the IAOC (Re: Consensus search: #725 3.4b Appealing decisions)

2005-01-18 Thread Carl Malamud
Hi - Just so we're clear, I think a mass execution procedure is a bad idea. Serial executions are much better: these people got seated one by one, and if you don't like them, each one should get their own trial and sentence. Changing 3777 to allow group trials seems like a task well beyond the cu

Re: Firing the IAOC (Re: Consensus search: #725 3.4b Appealing decisions)

2005-01-18 Thread avri
i strongly agree with Carl on this, people serve as individuals. a. On 18 jan 2005, at 10.53, Carl Malamud wrote: Hi - Just so we're clear, I think a mass execution procedure is a bad idea. Serial executions are much better: these people got seated one by one, and if you don't like them, each one s

Re: Firing the IAOC (Re: Consensus search: #725 3.4b Appealing decisions)

2005-01-18 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 11:21 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > i strongly agree with Carl on this, people serve as > individuals. I had promised myself I would drop this, but one more try. I agree with Carl that individual responsibility and individual service is a much better model.