Re: IASA BCP Issue: Budgeting process and financial oversight

2004-11-26 Thread Sam Hartman
Harald == Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Harald Quoting from section 3: The IASA will initially consist of a single full-time ISOC employee, the IETF Administrative Director (IAD), who will be an officer entitled to act on behalf of the IASA at the

Re: IASA BCP Issue: Budgeting process and financial oversight

2004-11-25 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
it doesn't make sense to me. but then the corporate boards I have served on (Unicode Consortium and .no registry) seem to function very much in the mode of oversight and strategy direction - it would be bizarre for either of those boards to attempt to create a budget; in both

Re: IASA BCP Issue: Budgeting process and financial oversight

2004-11-25 Thread Carl Malamud
I actually think everybody is in agreement. The ceo definitely does the budget. There is no doubt about it. And, the paragraph you quoted was actually one that is fine as is. But, there are a few places in section 3, as Bernard pointed out, that we're making some unnecessary distinctions

Re: IASA BCP Issue: Budgeting process and financial oversight

2004-11-25 Thread Bernard Aboba
Correct, Carl. The issue is oversight -- who leads the committees that review the financial statements and the IAD performance. Allowing the IAD to lead the review of his/her own performance does not make sense. And I'd also argue that while it is the IAD's job to come up with the budget, that

Re: IASA BCP Issue: Budgeting process and financial oversight

2004-11-25 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On torsdag, november 25, 2004 08:39:48 -0800 Bernard Aboba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correct, Carl. The issue is oversight -- who leads the committees that review the financial statements and the IAD performance. Allowing the IAD to lead the review of his/her own performance does not make

Re: IASA BCP Issue: Budgeting process and financial oversight

2004-11-24 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
Bernard, I don't agree with your terminology here. --On 23. november 2004 23:32 -0800 Bernard Aboba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reading section 3, I believe that there are some issues with respect to separation between the IASA and IAD responsibilities. My overall comment on Section 3 is

Re: IASA BCP Issue: Budgeting process and financial oversight

2004-11-24 Thread Carl Malamud
Bernard - Good comments. I went back and re-read section 3, and I agree that it is somewhat unclear. (That's sometimes good, of course, but probably not in this case). From what I read, the idea is that the IAOC sets policy: it has a large say in how finances are done, reporting to the IAOC is

Re: IASA BCP Issue: Budgeting process and financial oversight

2004-11-24 Thread Bernard Aboba
It seems to me that in most of section 3 where it says the IAD shall, you could probably simply change that to the IAOC shall. For example: The IAD may constitute special-purpose, chartered committees to bring in expertise (on topics such as finance, IETF process, or tools), to engage

IASA BCP Issue: Budgeting process and financial oversight

2004-11-23 Thread Bernard Aboba
In reading section 3, I believe that there are some issues with respect to separation between the IASA and IAD responsibilities. My overall comment on Section 3 is that co-mingles sections relating to the responsibilities of the IAD and the IAOC. Since the IAOC constitutes the management, while