RE: IP service definition

2000-07-13 Thread Brijesh Kumar
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:47 PM > I do however think that, given the tendency of various providers > these days to violate the internet protocol specifications and > erode the ability of applications to ru

Re: IP service definition

2000-07-13 Thread John Stracke
Brijesh Kumar wrote: > As a technical person, you may not like their solution, but > they appear to meet requirements of their target market. Emphasis on "appear". The non-ISPs provide services that appear to be Internet access, but aren't. The big problem is when new protocols come along that

Re: IP service definition

2000-07-13 Thread John Stracke
Lloyd Wood wrote: > > users. This hurts developers, of course, because it limits our user > > base; but it also hurts the non-ISPs' users (obviously) *and* all other > > users (by Metcalfe's Law). > > ...but benefits the non-ISPs, who can charge for selectively > introducing any new service (eve

RE: IP service definition

2000-07-13 Thread Randy Bush
> It is akin to standardizing on what kind of light can come in your > neighbourhood. properly done, and with no adjectives or judgement spin, it could be a taxonomy of what kinds of light are known. this might be useful, witness a recent discussion re wap of what is being on the internet. rand

RE: IP service definition

2000-07-14 Thread Brijesh Kumar
> -Original Message- > From: Randy Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > It is akin to standardizing on what kind of light can come in your > > neighbourhood. > > properly done, and with no adjectives or judgement spin, it could be a > taxonomy of what kinds of light are known. this might

Re: IP service definition

2000-07-14 Thread Masataka Ohta
Brijesh; > NAT is no less offender of the end > to end design paradigm, than WAP and AOL. Of course. Who said otherwise? Masataka Ohta