Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-29 Thread Keith Moore
On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:41 PM, Michel Py wrote: IMHO, the only valid stats we can gather are either from a large content provider (which is why Lorenzo's numbers are so interesting) or from a large eyeball ISP. Cisco, Juniper, Apple, the academia, the IETF, etc are NOT valid places to collect

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-29 Thread Keith Moore
On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Michel Py wrote: Joel Jaeggli wrote: 6rd is global unicast... there's nothing to discriminate it from any other native range. No. there is nothing in the current classification algorithm to discriminate from any other native range. But it's not native, as it

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-29 Thread Ole Troan
Michel, Joel Jaeggli wrote: 6rd is global unicast... there's nothing to discriminate it from any other native range. No. there is nothing in the current classification algorithm to discriminate from any other native range. But it's not native, as it has, among other things, the same

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
agree but if you're trying to discriminate it by: This graph shows the daily unique queried reverse addresses by type. you can't. On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Michel Py wrote: Joel Jaeggli wrote: 6rd is global unicast... there's nothing to discriminate it from any other native range. No.

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-29 Thread George Michaelson
On 29/07/2011, at 8:03 AM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: agree but if you're trying to discriminate it by: This graph shows the daily unique queried reverse addresses by type. you can't. Very true Joel. I did, for a while, pattern match the 6rd prefix from Free.FR's declared ranges in RIPE

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-29 Thread Rémi Després
Le 28 juil. 2011 à 08:07, Michel Py a écrit : James, If I remember correctly, you mentioned a bit ago that your job required you had native IPv6 at home. Question: Does an ISP providing you IPv6 out of the CPE box (meaning, without any software other than dual-stack on the hosts)

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Rémi Després wrote: Le 28 juil. 2011 à 08:07, Michel Py a écrit : James, If I remember correctly, you mentioned a bit ago that your job required you had native IPv6 at home. Question: Does an ISP providing you IPv6 out of the CPE box (meaning, without

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-29 Thread Rémi Després
Le 29 juil. 2011 à 15:51, Joel Jaeggli a écrit : On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Rémi Després wrote: Le 28 juil. 2011 à 08:07, Michel Py a écrit : James, If I remember correctly, you mentioned a bit ago that your job required you had native IPv6 at home. Question: Does an ISP

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-29 Thread Rémi Després
Le 29 juil. 2011 à 14:16, George Michaelson a écrit : On 29/07/2011, at 8:03 AM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: agree but if you're trying to discriminate it by: This graph shows the daily unique queried reverse addresses by type. you can't. Very true Joel. I did, for a while, pattern

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-29 Thread George Michaelson
I have updated the graph to include 6rd, based on my understanding that the prefixes of the form 2a01:e3xx: are your 6rd space. There is *other* FreeNet space, which appears to do things, but I sense its not part of the 6rd deployment since the numberforms in the lower /64 appear to be

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-29 Thread Brzozowski, John
The Comcast 6rd trial will conclude very soon, so I do not recommend doing anything specific for Comcast 6rd. John = John Jason Brzozowski Comcast Cable e) mailto:john_brzozow...@cable.comcast.com o) 609-377-6594 m) 484-962-0060 w) http://www.comcast6.net

RE: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-28 Thread Michel Py
a tunnel broker, or 6rd? james woodyatt wrote: p1. Those numbers are badly outdated. What is your reading on 6rd numbers? And if these numbers are badly outdated, where do you place the MacOS IPv6 traffic distribution today? p3. Recent measurements of hits originating from Mac OS X hosts

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-28 Thread Keith Moore
On Jul 28, 2011, at 1:30 AM, james woodyatt wrote: I think the measurements we've all seen at the technical plenary show that 6to4 is a small percentage of the total world IPv6 traffic now, which again is an embarrassingly small fraction of global Internet traffic. What I saw from

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-28 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 01:30, james woodyatt j...@apple.com wrote: http://www.pam2010.ethz.ch/papers/full-length/15.pdf Slightly less than 50% of IPv6 traffic comes from a MacOS client (fig 3); about 90% MacOS hits is 6to4, which possibly means (to me) that this piece of 6to4 MacOS

RE: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-28 Thread Michel Py
Lorenzo, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: http://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics/ Thanks for the update. Clarification: in your stats, is AS12322's traffic classified as native or as 6to4/teredo? Michel. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-28 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 16:51, Michel Py mic...@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us wrote: Clarification: in your stats, is AS12322's traffic classified as native or as 6to4/teredo? As the webpage says: The Total IPv6 graph shows IPv6 users with any type of connectivity, while the Native IPv6 graph

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-28 Thread Tim Chown
On 28 Jul 2011, at 21:51, Michel Py wrote: Lorenzo, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: http://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics/ Thanks for the update. Clarification: in your stats, is AS12322's traffic classified as native or as 6to4/teredo? Hi, I just ran a search through our Netflow

RE: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-28 Thread Michel Py
Bad question, I apologize for the imprecision. Please allow me to rephrase. Michel Py wrote: Clarification: in your stats, is AS12322's traffic classified as native or as 6to4/teredo? Lorenzo Colitti wrote: As the webpage says: The Total IPv6 graph shows IPv6 users with any type of

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-28 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Looking at a trace that I got from Geoff Huston a month or two ago, there are 25486 IPv6 TCP sessions of which 10748 have a 6to4 source address. That's surprisingly high, showing that the answer depends greatly on the point of observation, and explains why operators really need to try to run a

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-28 Thread George Michaelson
you may like to look at http://labs.apnic.net/dns-measurement/ ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-28 Thread Keith Moore
On Jul 28, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Looking at a trace that I got from Geoff Huston a month or two ago, there are 25486 IPv6 TCP sessions of which 10748 have a 6to4 source address. That's surprisingly high, showing that the answer depends greatly on the point of

RE: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-28 Thread Michel Py
Brian E Carpenter wrote: Looking at a trace that I got from Geoff Huston a month or two ago, there are 25486 IPv6 TCP sessions of which 10748 have a 6to4 source address. That's surprisingly high, Not to me. showing that the answer depends greatly on the point of observation Indeed this is

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-28 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:41 PM, Michel Py wrote: Same remarks as above, plus I don't see there anything that separates 6rd. 6rd is global unicast... there's nothing to discriminate it from any other native range. Michel. ___ Ietf mailing

RE: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-28 Thread Michel Py
Joel Jaeggli wrote: 6rd is global unicast... there's nothing to discriminate it from any other native range. No. there is nothing in the current classification algorithm to discriminate from any other native range. But it's not native, as it has, among other things, the same reliance on IPv4

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-27 Thread james woodyatt
On Jul 27, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Michel Py wrote: According to this: http://www.pam2010.ethz.ch/papers/full-length/15.pdf Slightly less than 50% of IPv6 traffic comes from a MacOS client (fig 3); about 90% MacOS hits is 6to4, which possibly means (to me) that this piece of 6to4 MacOS software