RE: In support of symbolic references

2007-04-09 Thread Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
-Original Message- From: Jari Arkko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:13 AM To: Simon Josefsson Cc: Sam Hartman; ietf@ietf.org; Steven M. Bellovin Subject: Re: In support of symbolic references Simon, Maybe we can lobby for it to become

Re: In support of symbolic references

2007-04-08 Thread Julian Reschke
John C Klensin schrieb: --On Thursday, 05 April, 2007 15:48 -0400 Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I'm sitting here reviewing changes to a document to see if I can last call it. As part of a response to AD review comments, one of the references were changed. This document uses

Re: In support of symbolic references

2007-04-08 Thread John C Klensin
--On Saturday, April 07, 2007 5:52 PM +0200 Julian Reschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Second, because of the desire to create a universal naming scheme in the bibliographical libraries, xml2rfc ends up with symbolic references that look like [I-D.rfc-editor-rfc2223bis] (one of the less

Re: In support of symbolic references

2007-04-07 Thread Elwyn Davies
Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2007-04-06 08:12, Jari Arkko wrote: Simon, Maybe we can lobby for it to become the default. +1 (I think it would be the right default, even if I agree with John Klensin's concern.) Putting symrefs into all the xml2rfc templates would not be a bad idea. The

Re: In support of symbolic references

2007-04-07 Thread Dave Crocker
Michael StJohns wrote: Going back to the original problem, it might be more useful to use an xml diff program than a text diff program since that's where the changes will be made (and visible). The anchors and targets will stay stable. Maybe we can have this added to the tool set? +1 d/

Re: In support of symbolic references

2007-04-06 Thread Jari Arkko
Simon, Maybe we can lobby for it to become the default. +1 (I think it would be the right default, even if I agree with John Klensin's concern.) Jari ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: In support of symbolic references

2007-04-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2007-04-06 08:12, Jari Arkko wrote: Simon, Maybe we can lobby for it to become the default. +1 (I think it would be the right default, even if I agree with John Klensin's concern.) Putting symrefs into all the xml2rfc templates would not be a bad idea. If you want to suggest a change in

Re: In support of symbolic references

2007-04-06 Thread Francis Dupont
In his previous mail Jari wrote: Maybe we can lobby for it to become the default. +1 (I think it would be the right default, even if I agree with John Klensin's concern.) = +1 too [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Ietf mailing list

In support of symbolic references

2007-04-05 Thread Sam Hartman
Hi. I'm sitting here reviewing changes to a document to see if I can last call it. As part of a response to AD review comments, one of the references were changed. This document uses numeric references. Starting at reference 16, everything was renumbered. That makes the diff a pain. For

Re: In support of symbolic references

2007-04-05 Thread Simon Josefsson
was renumbered. That makes the diff a pain. For this and many other reasons, I strongly encourage people to avoid numeric references in their documents. That makes sense, but I believe the default for the xml2rfc tool is to produce numeric references. Does xml2rfc support symbolic references

Re: In support of symbolic references

2007-04-05 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
tool is to produce numeric references. Does xml2rfc support symbolic references? If the defaults in xml2rfc is changed to symbolic references, I think we'd see that a lot of documents would adopt the new approach. Use the line ?rfc symrefs=yes ? to get symbolic references

Re: In support of symbolic references

2007-04-05 Thread Simon Josefsson
sense, but I believe the default for the xml2rfc tool is to produce numeric references. Does xml2rfc support symbolic references? If the defaults in xml2rfc is changed to symbolic references, I think we'd see that a lot of documents would adopt the new approach. Use the line ?rfc

Re: In support of symbolic references

2007-04-05 Thread Bob Braden
* * That makes sense, but I believe the default for the xml2rfc tool is to * produce numeric references. Does xml2rfc support symbolic references? * If the defaults in xml2rfc is changed to symbolic references, I think * we'd see that a lot of documents would adopt the new approach

Re: In support of symbolic references

2007-04-05 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:00:24 +0200 Simon Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Use the line ?rfc symrefs=yes ? to get symbolic references. Neat. Maybe we can lobby for it to become the default. Is there some IDNit rule that suggest or imply that references should be numeric?

Re: In support of symbolic references

2007-04-05 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, 05 April, 2007 15:48 -0400 Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I'm sitting here reviewing changes to a document to see if I can last call it. As part of a response to AD review comments, one of the references were changed. This document uses numeric references.

RE: In support of symbolic references

2007-04-05 Thread Eastlake III Donald-LDE008
I just use nroff and have no trouble creating whatever succinct symbolic references I want. Donald -Original Message- From: John C Klensin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:26 PM To: Sam Hartman; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: In support of symbolic references

Re: In support of symbolic references

2007-04-05 Thread Bill Fenner
On 4/5/07, John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... xml2rfc ends up with symbolic references that look like [I-D.rfc-editor-rfc2223bis] (one of the less unattractive ones) or, potentially, [I-D.draft-narten-iana-considerations-rfc2434-bis]. Those things cause formatting problems, violate