I'm with the folks that like this schedule. it's great being done for
the evening before dinner -
I agree with Andy.
me too.
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JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:
In a restaurant don't say "tap water" say "carafe d'eau" or "eau plate"
("flat water"). It should work.
Oh, I found the waiters suddenly became deaf to my French at that point
in the ordering process. It's a common phenomenon in Europe, but seemed
especially strong ar
Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Chown writes:
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 12:38:28PM +0200, Joerg Ott wrote:
What do other people think?
Add an extra 15 mins for lunch, it makes it so less 'rushed'.
That would be a very good idea.
Dare I say that lunch expand
Andrew G. Malis wrote:
I'm with the folks that like this schedule. it's great being done for
the evening before dinner - it makes for a much more relaxed meal, and
you don't have to worry about going too far from the meeting. I also
remember that the Adelaide meeting, at least half of the
On 3-aug-2005, at 15:09, Pekka Savola wrote:
Add an extra 15 mins for lunch, it makes it so less 'rushed'.
That would be a very good idea.
Personally, I don't see much need for lengthening the lunch;
I can see how having more time for lunch would be beneficial, but I'm
not sure if a me
In a restaurant don't say "tap water" say "carafe d'eau" or "eau plate"
("flat water"). It should work.
jfc
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> Behalf Of Samuel Weiler
> Not being a caffeine user, I hadn't noticed this one. But
> I've found the lack of water and the flow controls on it disturbing.
>
> At 16:43 today, 13 minutes into the break, I could not find
> water in the break area at all. They seemed to have found
> some a fe
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At 16:43 today, 13 minutes into the break, I could not find water in
the break area at all. They seemed to have found some a few minutes
l
--On Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:33 -0400 Samuel Weiler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Not being a caffeine user, I hadn't noticed this one. But
I've found the lack of water and the flow controls on it
disturbing.
At 16:43 today, 13 minutes into the break, I could not find
water in the break
> ... *definitely* food, and without stringent flow controls
> on the caffeine.
Not being a caffeine user, I hadn't noticed this one. But I've found
the lack of water and the flow controls on it disturbing.
At 16:43 today, 13 minutes into the break, I could not find water in
the break area at al
Original message
>From: Joerg Ott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Keeping this IETF's schedule in the future...?
>
>What do other people think?
One downside to the early schedule: I'm listening in from UT+4
and can catch only the late sessions.
The live str
Agree with Scott.
Also, one of the interesting side effects already alluded to by I think
Steve B: Evening sessions had the benefit/curse of having people come back
to the site after dinner. The lack of that as well as the somewhat
unfriendly (cost wise/ location relative to site wise) bar
On 08/03/2005 15:36 PM, John C Klensin allegedly wrote:
>> PS: the key point is "restaurants serve after 8pm"... This can
>> be an issue in some places in winter.
>
>
> Of course, we could make that -- which really should be “restaurants
> serve after 9PM” to allow for meetings running over or th
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John C Klensin writes:
>
>
>--On Wednesday, August 03, 2005 09:16 -0400 "Andrew G. Malis"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> I did notice fewer people in the bar than usual. Given how
>>> much work gets done at bar bofs, that's significant.
>>
>> I suspect that's du
--On Wednesday, August 03, 2005 09:16 -0400 "Andrew G. Malis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I did notice fewer people in the bar than usual. Given how
much work gets done at bar bofs, that's significant.
I suspect that's due to what they charge in the hotel bar more
than anything else! :-)
--On Wednesday, August 03, 2005 15:29 +0200 Francis Dupont
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
PS: the key point is "restaurants serve after 8pm"... This can
be an issue in some places in winter.
Of course, we could make that -- which really should be
“restaurants serve after 9PM” to allow for mee
In your previous mail you wrote:
What do other people think?
=> as an European I strongly agree!
Thanks
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PS: the key point is "restaurants serve after 8pm"... This can be an
issue in some places in winter.
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I very much like the new schedule.
Regards
Marshall Eubanks
On Aug 3, 2005, at 6:38 AM, Joerg Ott wrote:
At this IETF, we have done a nice experiment with the modified
schedule of our meetings for the purpose of dealing with restaurant
hours.
From the first 2.5 days, I find this an extremely
The bar at the top of La Fayette has similar prices - first drink after
9:30pm is 21.50 E, second and so on is 15E or so.
OTOH if we could get wireless at James Joyce I'd be over there mostly
Mike
At 09:14 AM 8/3/2005, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lars
Eggert
I too am in favor of the new schedule.
As for the length of lunch. I believe that 1.5 hours is appropriate at
most venues at which it is possible to obtain relatively fast meal
service. Here in Paris, it appears that lunch at many of the
restaurants really requires closer to 2 hours just in ord
Steve,
I did notice fewer people in the bar than usual. Given how much work
gets done at bar bofs, that's significant.
I suspect that's due to what they charge in the hotel bar more than
anything else! :-)
Andy
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On Aug 3, 2005, at 15:04, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
I did notice fewer people in the bar than usual. Given how much work
gets done at bar bofs, that's significant.
Might be the prices. The La Fayette is still tolerable, but the Le
Meridien is ridiculous, esp. if the band plays - 23EUR for th
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lars Eggert wr
ites:
>On Aug 3, 2005, at 15:04, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
>> I did notice fewer people in the bar than usual. Given how much work
>> gets done at bar bofs, that's significant.
>
>Might be the prices. The La Fayette is still tolerable, but the Le
>
Hi -
> From: Joerg Ott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Aug 3, 2005 2:40 PM
> To: Randy Presuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Keeping this IETF's schedule in the future...?
...
> Well, 11:30--13:00 appears to be as long as 12:30--14:00.
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Chown writes:
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 12:38:28PM +0200, Joerg Ott wrote:
What do other people think?
Add an extra 15 mins for lunch, it makes it so less 'rushed'.
That would be a very good idea.
Personally,
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lakshminath Dondeti writes:
>Strongly agree! I was making this observation to some folks after the
>first day: Not having to worry about meetings after dinner is a great
>thing!
I did notice fewer people in the bar than usual. Given how much work
gets done at
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Chown writes:
>On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 12:38:28PM +0200, Joerg Ott wrote:
>>
>> What do other people think?
>
>Add an extra 15 mins for lunch, it makes it so less 'rushed'.
>
That would be a very good idea.
--Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.co
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> Behalf Of Andrew G. Malis
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 3:41 PM
> To: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Keeping this IETF's schedule in the future...?
>
> I'm with the folks that like this schedule. it's great being
> done for the evenin
On Aug 3, 2005, at 14:40, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
I'm with the folks that like this schedule.
Since we're counting, me too.
Lars
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Lunch is too late, though that might be mitigated by
providing food at the mid-morning break.
That might be nice indeed.
The lunch break is too long.
Well, 11:30--13:00 appears to be as long as 12:30--14:00. Unless
you find the lunch break generally too long. I think it has been
sufficien
I'm with the folks that like this schedule. it's great being done for the
evening before dinner - it makes for a much more relaxed meal, and you
don't have to worry about going too far from the meeting. I also remember
that the Adelaide meeting, at least half of the people in the Monday night
At 14:02 03/08/2005, Scott W Brim wrote:
On 08/03/2005 13:39 PM, Brian E Carpenter allegedly wrote:
> I haven't heard *any* negative comments so far. We will attempt
> a systematic survey to be sure.
I like this schedule as well.
Related: If (like in M'polis) there is no social planned for Tue
Hi -
> From: Joerg Ott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Aug 3, 2005 12:38 PM
> To: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Keeping this IETF's schedule in the future...?
>
> At this IETF, we have done a nice experiment with the modified
> schedule of our meetings for the purpose of
On 08/03/2005 13:39 PM, Brian E Carpenter allegedly wrote:
> I haven't heard *any* negative comments so far. We will attempt
> a systematic survey to be sure.
Sorry to disappoint you :-)
It's absolutely the right thing to do in Paris where restaurants
aren't open until 7:30, but I don't like goin
I haven't heard *any* negative comments so far. We will attempt
a systematic survey to be sure.
Brian
Joerg Ott wrote:
At this IETF, we have done a nice experiment with the modified
schedule of our meetings for the purpose of dealing with restaurant
hours.
From the first 2.5 days, I find t
This is EXACTLY my experience, too. I've been able to grab a BUNCH of
people that I needed to talk to, every morning this week so far.
Another really useful feature here in Paris were the tables for sit-
down breakfast.
Result: Productive breakfast meetings.
Gruesse, Carsten
I agree on th
I agree completely; I've had trouble with evening sessions for a
couple of years now, and find this schedule MUCH easier to manage.
Bill
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plenaries to Tuesday and Wednesday.
Regards,
Jordi
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> Responder a: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Fecha: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 12:38:28 +0200
> Para: "ietf@ietf.org"
> Asunto: Keeping this IETF's schedule in the future...?
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&
On Aug 03 2005, at 12:38 Uhr, Joerg Ott wrote:
we should consider to organize out future meetings in a
similar fashion.
Yes, yes, yes!
Another really useful feature here in Paris were the tables for sit-
down breakfast.
Result: Productive breakfast meetings.
Gruesse, Carsten
Strongly agree! I was making this observation to some folks after the
first day: Not having to worry about meetings after dinner is a great
thing!
Lakshminath
Joerg Ott wrote:
At this IETF, we have done a nice experiment with the modified
schedule of our meetings for the purpose of dealing
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 11:44:44AM +0100, Tim Chown wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 12:38:28PM +0200, Joerg Ott wrote:
> >
> > What do other people think?
I think it's a big improvement, I would really like to see this too.
And yes, late session Monday night are really tough when you have
a jet
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 12:38:28PM +0200, Joerg Ott wrote:
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> What do other people think?
Add an extra 15 mins for lunch, it makes it so less 'rushed'.
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Joerg Ott wrote:
At this IETF, we have done a nice experiment with the modified
schedule of our meetings for the purpose of dealing with restaurant
hours.
From the first 2.5 days, I find this an extremely useful thing
and we should consider to organize out future meetings in a
similar fashion.
I agree completely. I have always found the 7:30-10PM slots to be
suboptimal even when I haven't crossed a lot of timezones. The standard
2.5 hour morning slots also are painful (almost all other meetings have a
mid-morning break). I think we should strongly consider retaining this
week's
At this IETF, we have done a nice experiment with the modified
schedule of our meetings for the purpose of dealing with restaurant
hours.
From the first 2.5 days, I find this an extremely useful thing
and we should consider to organize out future meetings in a
similar fashion.
There are numerous
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