Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-17 Thread Mark Townsley
Sam Hartman wrote: I notice that this transport provides no authentication of the data that is retrieved. The security considerations needs to discuss the potential attacks if an attacker modifies this public data. The security considerations section also needs to point to best practice for

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-17 Thread Sam Hartman
Mark == Mark Townsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark Sam Hartman wrote: I notice that this transport provides no authentication of the data that is retrieved. The security considerations needs to discuss the potential attacks if an attacker modifies this public

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread Frank Ellermann
Marcos Sanz/Denic wrote: open source implementation: http://iris.verisignlabs.com/ Thanks, that should help client developers to figure it out. 4 - Could a server just offer a whois interface and be done with it ? I don't understand this question. I'm not exactly happy with LWZ,

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread Frank Ellermann
Andrew Newton wrote: 3 - Why is LWZ limited to UDP, desperately trying to solve various size issues with delated XML and other tricks ? TCP is handled by XPC and BEEP. But those are the (complex) protocols for more serious tasks than only whois queries, updates / confidential data /

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread Andrew Newton
Harald Alvestrand wrote: There's nothing in the document that says if you want to send 4000 requests, and 70 out of the first 100 get lost, you should slow down your sending rate to that server. I just checked the simple user-drive, cli client I wrote and it doesn't retransmit at all

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread Andrew Newton
Sam Hartman wrote: I notice that this transport provides no authentication of the data that is retrieved. The security considerations needs to discuss the potential attacks if an attacker modifies this public data. The security considerations section also needs to point to best practice for

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread Sam Hartman
Andrew == Andrew Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andrew Sam, Andrew For the second case, you are referring to BCP 38, correct? Andrew This was mentioned on the wg list by William Leibzon, and Andrew should have been incorporated into the draft. Thanks for Andrew noting

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread kent crispin
On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 11:55:58AM -0400, Andrew Newton wrote: Harald Alvestrand wrote: There's nothing in the document that says if you want to send 4000 requests, and 70 out of the first 100 get lost, you should slow down your sending rate to that server. I just checked the simple

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread Lars Eggert
Hi, On Aug 16, 2006, at 17:55, Andrew Newton wrote: Harald Alvestrand wrote: There's nothing in the document that says if you want to send 4000 requests, and 70 out of the first 100 get lost, you should slow down your sending rate to that server. I just checked the simple user-drive, cli

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread Andrew Newton
Lars Eggert wrote: I just checked the simple user-drive, cli client I wrote and it doesn't retransmit at all (perhaps not the best UI experience). the issue isn't with retransmissions. If - to use Harald's example - no reply arrives for 70 out of 100 issued requests, this is a pretty strong

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread Harald Alvestrand
Andrew Newton wrote: 3 - Why is LWZ limited to UDP, desperately trying to solve various size issues with delated XML and other tricks ? TCP is handled by XPC and BEEP. But for very short and quick answers (and lots of them, such as domain availability checks) UDP is better. Don't know

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Harald Alvestrand wrote: Andrew Newton wrote: 3 - Why is LWZ limited to UDP, desperately trying to solve various size issues with delated XML and other tricks ? TCP is handled by XPC and BEEP. But for very short and quick answers (and lots of them, such as domain

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread Todd Glassey
Harald - you sure you are not talking about IETF Mail Servers? Todd -Original Message- From: Harald Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 16, 2006 12:20 AM To: Andrew Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread Ted Faber
On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 02:20:51PM -0700, william(at)elan.net wrote: Tell us where 'retransmit', 'packet loss' and 'congestion' appear in DNS, DHCP or some other UDP-based protocol documents and I'm sure author of this spec will be happy to put something similar in his document. There might be

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread Ted Faber
On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 02:34:38PM -0700, Ted Faber wrote: On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 02:20:51PM -0700, william(at)elan.net wrote: Tell us where 'retransmit', 'packet loss' and 'congestion' appear in DNS, DHCP or some other UDP-based protocol documents and I'm sure author of this spec will be

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - From: william(at)elan.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Harald Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread Andrew Newton
On Aug 16, 2006, at 6:47 PM, Randy Presuhn wrote: One example would be STD 62, SNMP. Specifically, clause 2.2 of RFC 3416. Thanks. I've also looked at the advice in RFC 1035. After reading both, I felt the advice to implementers amounted to don't flood the network with packets; it is

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread Ned Freed
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Harald Alvestrand wrote: Andrew Newton wrote: 3 - Why is LWZ limited to UDP, desperately trying to solve various size issues with delated XML and other tricks ? TCP is handled by XPC and BEEP. But for very short and quick answers (and lots of them, such as

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-16 Thread Harald Alvestrand
william(at)elan.net wrote: my congestion control alarm went off. after reviewing the document, it's still ringing. There's nothing in the document that says if you want to send 4000 requests, and 70 out of the first 100 get lost, you should slow down your sending rate to that server. The

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-15 Thread Frank Ellermann
The IESG wrote: draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz-06.txt as a Proposed Standard Some general questions about this draft: 1 - Has anybody implemented it ? 2 - If so, do test servers exist for client developers ? 3 - Why is LWZ limited to UDP, desperately trying to solve various size issues with

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-15 Thread Andrew Newton
Frank Ellermann wrote: Some general questions about this draft: 1 - Has anybody implemented it ? Yes. See http://iris.verisignlabs.com/blojsom/blog/iris/ 2 - If so, do test servers exist for client developers ? Yes. See above. Additionally, see the archives of the CRISP wg. 3 - Why is

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-15 Thread Marcos Sanz/Denic
Frank, Some general questions about this draft: 1 - Has anybody implemented it ? Yes, we have implemented it (as of ID-version 05). VeriSign, too. I've heard there is at least another implementation. 2 - If so, do test servers exist for client developers ? I can't provide (yet) with a

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-15 Thread Ted Hardie
At 3:46 PM +0200 8/15/06, Frank Ellermann wrote: 4 - Could a server just offer a whois interface and be done with it ? Andy and Marcos seem to have tackled the other issues you raise, but I'd like to point out the following from the charter: Specific topics that are NOT goals of this WG

Re: Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-15 Thread Sam Hartman
I notice that this transport provides no authentication of the data that is retrieved. The security considerations needs to discuss the potential attacks if an attacker modifies this public data. The security considerations section also needs to point to best practice for avoiding UDP

Last Call: 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz)

2006-08-14 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Cross Registry Information Service Protocol WG to consider the following document: - 'A Lightweight UDP Transfer Protocol for the the Internet Registry Information Service ' draft-ietf-crisp-iris-lwz-06.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to