Re: Last Call: 'Experimental Procedure for Long Term Suspensions from Mailing Lists' to Experimental RFC

2006-02-15 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Dear IESG, I'm glad that you are considering this experiment. We certainly heard from people who expressed discomfort with the current BCP procedures in this area during recent discussions, and I don't know that very many people were thrilled with those procedures (especially after we started

Re: Last Call: 'Experimental Procedure for Long Term Suspensions from Mailing Lists' to Experimental RFC

2006-02-15 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
I believe sending out a Last Call on this document is: 1) Premature. This version of the document has been with us for all of 10 days, and the previous version since January 24. 2) Inappropriate. The IESG is in the midst of considering a very divisive issue that has to be decided using the cu

Re: Last Call: 'Experimental Procedure for Long Term Suspensions from Mailing Lists' to Experimental RFC

2006-02-15 Thread Frank Ellermann
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > make the proposal a topic of the General Area open meeting > in Dallas, and issue the Last Call after the Dallas meeting. It's only an experiment relevant for listmoms and WG Chairs. Nothing like that other case with about 1,000,000 domains and a community determ

Re: Last Call: 'Experimental Procedure for Long Term Suspensions from Mailing Lists' to Experimental RFC

2006-02-15 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Spencer" == Spencer Dawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Spencer> I agree that IESG can conduct experiments of more than 18 Spencer> months duration under BCP 93, but the specific procedural Spencer> problem here isn't about an experiment that needs to run Spencer> for 18 mon

Re: Last Call: 'Experimental Procedure for Long Term Suspensions from Mailing Lists' to Experimental RFC

2006-02-16 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: I believe sending out a Last Call on this document is: 1) Premature. This version of the document has been with us for all of 10 days, and the previous version since January 24. I think the spirit of RFC 3933 is to get things tried out quickly, so I don't buy th

Re: Last Call: 'Experimental Procedure for Long Term Suspensions from Mailing Lists' to Experimental RFC

2006-02-16 Thread Ned Freed
I believe sending out a Last Call on this document is: 1) Premature. This version of the document has been with us for all of 10 days, and the previous version since January 24. 2) Inappropriate. The IESG is in the midst of considering a very divisive issue that has to be decided using the c

RE: Last Call: 'Experimental Procedure for Long Term Suspensions from Mailing Lists' to Experimental RFC

2006-03-22 Thread Margaret Wasserman
I know that these comments are late for IETF LC, but Brian Carpenter indicated that I should share them here, anyway... I generally support publication of this draft as an Experimental RFC, and I hope that the IESG will use this mechanism to support more moderate and more effective mailing list

Re: Last Call: 'Experimental Procedure for Long Term Suspensions from Mailing Lists' to Experimental RFC

2006-03-23 Thread John Leslie
(Though I agree with most of what Harald said, I will respond on-list only to Margaret.) Margaret Wasserman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I generally support publication of this draft as an Experimental RFC, I was never able to "support" it; but until the GENAREA meeting, I regarded it a

Re: Last Call: 'Experimental Procedure for Long Term Suspensions from Mailing Lists' to Experimental RFC

2006-05-16 Thread Sam Hartman
John, does the text I proposed to address Margaret's concern (making it clear that this will not become a permanent BCP), plus the review requirements proposed by Harald, plus the work started by Brian to build community consensus on a new set of mailing list procedures help address your concerns?

Re: Last Call: 'Experimental Procedure for Long Term Suspensions from Mailing Lists' to Experimental RFC

2006-05-16 Thread John Leslie
Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To: John Leslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > John, does the text I proposed to address Margaret's concern (making > it clear that this will not become a permanent BCP), plus the review > requirements proposed by Harald, plus the work started by Brian to > build