Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-03-01 Thread Frank Ellermann
Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: while I don't think the document necessarily needs to be changed to REQUIRE this, I think it would be good if last call announcements continued to call out normative downrefs, for two reasons: (1) To make it easier to catch potentially problematic downrefs (2) To

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-02-28 Thread Tom.Petch
- Original Message - From: Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom.Petch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ietf ietf@ietf.org Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 10:09 PM Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP My strong

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-02-28 Thread Eric Rosen
This document has a reasonable goal, but the implementation is objectionable. The reasonable goal (from the introduction): This document replaces the hold on normative reference rule with a note downward normative reference and move on approach for normative references to

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-02-28 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, February 28, 2007 03:56:44 PM -0500 Eric Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In many cases (probably the vast majority) where a document is advancing despite a downward normative reference, the referenced document (and the technology described therein) is no less stable

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-02-26 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2007-02-26 07:51, Eliot Lear wrote: Sam Hartman wrote: My strong preference as an individual is to approve this document as is. I think there's a good split between RFC 3967 and this document. RFC 3967 will cover informational documents; this document will cover standards track. I'm not in

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-02-26 Thread Sam Hartman
Bill == Bill Fenner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill On 2/24/07, Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there's a good split between RFC 3967 and this document. RFC 3967 will cover informational documents; this document will cover standards track. Bill I have to

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-02-26 Thread Tom.Petch
inline Tom Petch - Original Message - From: John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tom.Petch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ietf ietf@ietf.org Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-02-26 Thread Sam Hartman
I'd be happy with this title change. Does anyone object? ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-02-26 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, 26 February, 2007 13:45 -0500 Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be happy with this title change. Does anyone object? No. And, while I sympathize with the problem Tom discusses, the solution lies, IMO, in at least a 2026 replacement and probably some rethinking of the

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-02-25 Thread Brian E Carpenter
I believe that if we follow the authors' suggestion to proceed rapidly, Tom's concern could be met by a simple informational note summarizing how to deal with downrefs in practice. Such a note could be input to an eventual combined document after some experience, as John suggests. Brian On

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-02-25 Thread Bill Fenner
On 2/24/07, Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there's a good split between RFC 3967 and this document. RFC 3967 will cover informational documents; this document will cover standards track. I have to admit that when I was reading this document I was confused by section 4; I thought

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-02-25 Thread Eliot Lear
Sam Hartman wrote: My strong preference as an individual is to approve this document as is. I think there's a good split between RFC 3967 and this document. RFC 3967 will cover informational documents; this document will cover standards track. I'm not in principle opposed to having one

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-02-24 Thread Sam Hartman
Tom == Tom Petch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tom I have no problem with the underlying idea, in so far as I Tom understand it, but I do not agree that this I-D is the best Tom way to achieve it. Tom I think that my problem is well illustrated by a sentence in Tom the Abstract

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-02-24 Thread John C Klensin
--On Saturday, February 24, 2007 4:09 PM -0500 Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom == Tom Petch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tom I have no problem with the underlying idea, in so far as I Tom understand it, but I do not agree that this I-D is the best Tom way to achieve it.

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-02-23 Thread Tom.Petch
BCP97 and what revised BCP97. Tom Petch - Original Message - From: The IESG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IETF-Announce ietf-announce@ietf.org Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 5:02 PM Subject: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

RE: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-02-16 Thread Hollenbeck, Scott
-Original Message- From: The IESG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:02 AM To: IETF-Announce Subject: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP The IESG has received a request from