Re: Make HTML and PDF more prominent, was: Re: Why the normative form of IETF Standards is ASCII

2010-03-19 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 19 mrt 2010, at 12:02, Dave Cridland wrote: > Why care about a normative output? You change the subject to talk about using > non-normative representations already, why care about a normative output *at > all*? You have a point. But it's in the subject line... > Let's concentrate on a norma

Re: Make HTML and PDF more prominent, was: Re: Why the normative form of IETF Standards is ASCII

2010-03-19 Thread Michael Dillon
> The virtues (or lack thereof) of xml2rfc are a separate discussion. The > question isn't how we generate the normative output, but what the normative > output should be. Seems to me that this discussion has reached the point at which running code is needed in order to get any further. May I s

Re: Make HTML and PDF more prominent, was: Re: Why the normative form of IETF Standards is ASCII

2010-03-19 Thread todd glassey
On 3/19/2010 3:29 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 19 mrt 2010, at 5:05, John Levine wrote: > > > xml2rfc does a pretty good job of capturing what needs to be in an > > RFC, so that is the strawman I would start from. > > The virtues (or lack thereof) of xml2rfc are a separate discussion. > The

A state of spin ... presented in ASCII (was: Make HTML and PDF more prominent, was: Re: Why the normative form of IETF Standards is ASCII)

2010-03-19 Thread SM
At 04:02 19-03-10, Dave Cridland wrote: The IAB made a clear statement that we need i18n support, yet over a decade after RFC 2130 or RFC 2825, the RFCs themselves still have a strict ASCII limitation. Sure, that wasn't mentioned at the time, but does nobody else find this plain shameful? As se

Re: Make HTML and PDF more prominent, was: Re: Why the normative form of IETF Standards is ASCII

2010-03-19 Thread Ole Jacobsen
Ohta san, Let me guess: You're not a big fan of IDNs either, right? Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Masataka Ohta wrote:

Re: Make HTML and PDF more prominent, was: Re: Why the normative form of IETF Standards is ASCII

2010-03-19 Thread Masataka Ohta
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: >>1. I cannot print them correctly on either Windows or Mac. >>2. I cannot view them at all on the mobile device > These two issues can easily be solved by using the PDF or HTML versions. Simple plain ASCII text is just fine. >>3. I cannot enter the name of an autho

Re: Make HTML and PDF more prominent, was: Re: Why the normative form of IETF Standards is ASCII

2010-03-19 Thread Dave Cridland
On Fri Mar 19 10:29:04 2010, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 19 mrt 2010, at 5:05, John Levine wrote: > xml2rfc does a pretty good job of capturing what needs to be in an > RFC, so that is the strawman I would start from. The virtues (or lack thereof) of xml2rfc are a separate discussion. The

Make HTML and PDF more prominent, was: Re: Why the normative form of IETF Standards is ASCII

2010-03-19 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 19 mrt 2010, at 5:05, John Levine wrote: > xml2rfc does a pretty good job of capturing what needs to be in an > RFC, so that is the strawman I would start from. The virtues (or lack thereof) of xml2rfc are a separate discussion. The question isn't how we generate the normative output, but wha