Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service

2000-09-18 Thread James P. Salsman
Patrik, Thank you for your reply: ... guidelines for TCP operation during indefinite wireless link downtime I think this must be syncronized with the work of the PILC wg. See http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/pilc-charter.html Yes, the next document milestone from PLIC seems to have

Multimedia EMSD? (was Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service)

2000-09-18 Thread James P. Salsman
Mohsen, Thank you for your message: A large body of work exists which addresses the Mobile Messaging area LEAP: Lightweight and Efficient Application Protocol. ... Those who want to build good things and move forward fast, can evaluate the merits of LEAP and participate in

RE: Multimedia EMSD? (was Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service)

2000-09-18 Thread petri . koskelainen
]] Sent: 18. September 2000 11:55 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Multimedia EMSD? (was Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service) Mohsen, Thank you for your message

Re: Multimedia EMSD? (was Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service)

2000-09-18 Thread Mohsen BANAN-Public
On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:55:21 -0700 (PDT), "James P. Salsman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Those who want to build good things and move forward fast, can evaluate the merits of LEAP and participate in its evolution and enhancement. The starting point URL is: http://www.leapforum.org/

Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service

2000-09-18 Thread hardie
These documents would become de facto standards (although they won't have had the standards-review) and they would break the paradigm of Internet-Drafts (which is "don't implement"). May I respectfully resubmit "don't implement" as: "Please understand that any experience you gain

Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service

2000-09-18 Thread Eliot Lear
Mohsen BANAN-Public wrote: Remember the web (http, ...)? What was IETF's role in Internet's main modern application? You mean aside from MIME? -- Eliot Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service

2000-09-18 Thread Masataka Ohta
Mohsen; James (1) End-to-End Internet Services for Mobile Devices James Scope: Specifications and interoperability guidelines for James end-to-end mobile IP connection and transport services required James for support of standard Internet messaging ... The beauty of the

Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service

2000-09-17 Thread Patrik Fältström
At 15.41 +0200 00-09-16, Patrik Fältström wrote: Say we have a very fat pipe between earth and the moon (which current tcp should be able to handle). Should we run IMAP over that link which have quite some RTT? By the way, my examples with IMAP and SMTP might be simplistic, too simplistic.

Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service

2000-09-17 Thread Patrik Fältström
At 17.44 -0700 00-09-16, James P. Salsman wrote: (1) End-to-End Internet Services for Mobile Devices Scope: Specifications and interoperability guidelines for end-to-end mobile IP connection and transport services required for support of standard Internet messaging (e.g., TCP, UDP, ICMP, with

Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service

2000-09-17 Thread Allison Mankin
I think this must be syncronized with the work of the PILC wg. See http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/pilc-charter.html. Patrik, thanks for drawing attention to this. Other activities in the same arena that TSV has going on are ROHC and a proto-working group (we'll be airing a draft charter

Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service

2000-09-17 Thread Spencer Dawkins
L PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service I think this must be syncronized with the work of the PILC wg. See http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/pilc-charter.html. Patrik

Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service

2000-09-16 Thread Patrik Fältström
At 14.52 -0700 00-09-15, James P. Salsman wrote: If there has been no charter proposed for a MMMS working group, I intend to propose one as follows. I have no memory of a charter. Proposed milestones: The goals of the MMMS WG will include the publication of specifications, as described above,

Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service

2000-09-16 Thread Patrik Fältström
At 08.12 -0400 00-09-16, vint cerf wrote: would it be useful, in the context of establishing peer-to-peer communications (or even client/server communications) with limited-function mobile devices, to use SIP as a framework for negotiating the parameters that should guide the nature of the

Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service

2000-09-16 Thread Leslie Daigle
Howdy, "James P. Salsman" wrote: Proposed special document status and process for MMMS specifications: Recognizing that it may be impossible to achieve consensus on topics in which large and diverse corporate concerns have vested interests opposed to open standards, the MMMS working group

Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service

2000-09-16 Thread Leslie Daigle
Howdy, Yes, RESCAP should be doing this. (Too many people with full plates, not enough people poking -- so poke ;-) Leslie. Patrik Fältström wrote: At 08.12 -0400 00-09-16, vint cerf wrote: would it be useful, in the context of establishing peer-to-peer communications (or even

Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service

2000-09-16 Thread Henning Schulzrinne
Depending on the assumptions, it seems that either capability discovery integrated with the actual protocol or a separate protocol (as in rescap) makes sense. (Among other considerations, this depends on requirements for setup delay, number of message exchanges or restrictions on information

Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service

2000-09-15 Thread James P. Salsman
you would be an appropriate chair, I would volunteer to serve as an interim chair. Cheers, James At the November meeting, about 90 people attended the Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service BOF: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/99nov/46th-99nov-ietf-42.html But the mailing list has been dea

Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service

2000-09-14 Thread James P. Salsman
At the November meeting, about 90 people attended the Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service BOF: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/99nov/46th-99nov-ietf-42.html But the mailing list has been dead: http://www.imc.org/ietf-mmms/mail-archive/threads.html MMMS-related topics seem to be fairly