Re: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-22 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 9/22/2010 1:02 PM, Thomas Walsh wrote: Is Disclosure Mandated by RFC 5680: -- No, it is not. RFC 5680 does not require any NomCom to disclose the list at all nor to disclose the entire list for that matter. Since this is the first time the open disclosure ha

RE: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-22 Thread Thomas Walsh
:14 PM To: Thomas Walsh; Ross Callon; dcroc...@bbiw.net; IETF discussion list; NomCom Chair Subject: RE: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure Tom, Thanks, this is very helpful. As I read RFC 5680, it does not change in any way the handling of confidential

RE: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-22 Thread John E Drake
; From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Thomas Walsh > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:02 PM > To: Ross Callon; dcroc...@bbiw.net; IETF discussion list; NomCom Chair > Subject: RE: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open >

RE: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-22 Thread Ross Callon
PM To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure On 9/22/2010 12:28 PM, Ross Callon wrote: > --On Wednesday, September 22, 2010 08:53 -0700 Dave CROCKER > wrote: >> ...On the other hand, the practical reality is that getting an >

Re: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-22 Thread SM
At 11:41 22-09-10, John C Klensin wrote: raising issues of privacy, etc. I'm not too concerned about it, but I wish that there had been more discussion of whether this was necessary and other ways to accomplish it if it is. Yes. RFC 5680 was published in October, 2009. It would be strange if

Re: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-22 Thread Jari Arkko
I agree with Dave that the issue is minor. But FWIW, I too had assumed that the change that we approved did mean that the list would be public, e.g., an open web page under the nomcom's pages. Jari ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf

Re: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-22 Thread todd glassey
On 9/22/2010 12:28 PM, Ross Callon wrote: > --On Wednesday, September 22, 2010 08:53 -0700 Dave CROCKER > wrote: >> ...On the other hand, the practical reality is that getting an >> IETF login is easy >> enough to make this issue pretty minor, IMO. > > I have two thoughts on this: > > One the o

RE: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-22 Thread Thomas Walsh
Walsh Chair, NomCom 2010-2011 -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ross Callon Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:28 PM To: dcroc...@bbiw.net Cc: IETF discussion list; NomCom Chair Subject: RE: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important I

RE: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-22 Thread Ross Callon
--On Wednesday, September 22, 2010 08:53 -0700 Dave CROCKER wrote: > ...On the other hand, the practical reality is that getting an > IETF login is easy > enough to make this issue pretty minor, IMO. I have two thoughts on this: One the one hand, I agree with the part of Dave Crocker's email th

Re: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-22 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, September 22, 2010 08:53 -0700 Dave CROCKER wrote: > On 9/21/2010 5:02 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: >> The list of accepted candidates should be posted on the IETF >> site like the rest of the noncom information. > > > +1 > > On the other hand, the practical reality is that getting

Re: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-22 Thread todd glassey
On 9/22/2010 8:53 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > > On 9/21/2010 5:02 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: >> The list of accepted candidates should be posted on the IETF site like >> the >> rest of the noncom information. > > > +1 > > On the other hand, the practical reality is that getting an IETF login > is e

Re: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-22 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 9/21/2010 5:02 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: The list of accepted candidates should be posted on the IETF site like the rest of the noncom information. +1 On the other hand, the practical reality is that getting an IETF login is easy enough to make this issue pretty minor, IMO. d/ -- Dave Cr

Re: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-21 Thread Bob Hinden
Thomas, > I am a bit mystified. Since the IETF is open to anyone who cares > to participate, there is no finite community within which to keep > this list (or any other non-confidential information). Once the list > of willing candidates is released, it is just as public as anything > else in the

Re: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-21 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:19 +1200 Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Tom, > > On 2010-09-22 04:29, NomCom Chair wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> >> A few folks have submitted some very helpful comments and I'd >> like to share the answers publicly. >> >> Q: If the List is Open why does it require

Re: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-21 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 21/09/10 23:19, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> The IETF Community members are not authorized by this NomCom to disclose >> it further. Keep the list within the community. > > I am a bit mystified. Me too. I hope we don't end up with having to say a supposed "ok" to 96 pages of gibberish leg

Re: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-21 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue Sep 21 23:19:56 2010, Brian E Carpenter wrote: I am a bit mystified. Since the IETF is open to anyone who cares to participate, there is no finite community within which to keep this list (or any other non-confidential information) Well, I'm not sure it matters. Anyone interested in the

Re: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-21 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Tom, On 2010-09-22 04:29, NomCom Chair wrote: > Hi Folks, > > A few folks have submitted some very helpful comments and I'd like to > share the answers publicly. > > Q: If the List is Open why does it require a Login? > > A: As interpreted by this NomCom, the list is disclosed to the IETF > com

FW: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-21 Thread Thomas Walsh
-Original Message- From: ietf-announce-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-announce-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of NomCom Chair Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:29 PM To: IETF Announcement list Subject: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure Hi Folks, A